64bit or 32bit

-seek- · February 6th, 2007

should i go with 64bit or 32bit... what will run games better in the end?

-thx

Sinster · February 6th, 2007

That's like asking Ford or Chevy...

People will give you their input and show you millions of links between XP vs. Vista x86 vs. x64. So you have to take all that information and make the choice. Since Vista is fairly new there isn't a lot of tweaks out there to make games run faster.

I'm using the 64 bit version and 2142 runs pretty good. R6Vegas slows down in certain points. But overall my games run smoothly. I think the slow down is caused by my X-Fi Drivers.

**American Zombie** · February 6th, 2007

For now I would go with 32 as driver support for 64 is very limited.

Might want to look at: Vista: Should I Install 64-bit or 32-bit Version? (x64 vs x86)

**Geffy** · February 6th, 2007

I would probably recommend 32-bit as well. I have WinXP x64 and while all the games I play do work a couple have popped up warnings at installation saying the game is untested on 64-bit windows.

**ming** · February 6th, 2007

Others say stay away from vista for gaming. lol

**madmatt** · February 7th, 2007

Another vote for x86 (32-bit) after finding out a few production applications (including my choice for security) are not compatible with x64.

**LeeJend** · February 7th, 2007

Wait until they finish Vista and all it's drivers, then go with the 64 Bit version.

**dubstar** · February 19th, 2007

buy a mac and stop playing games.

haha just kidding. yuck - macs...

kop48 · February 19th, 2007

Vista is really, really bad for games atm. I've noticed at least a 50% drop in performance when compared to XP. Stick with XP for now if you play games.

**madmatt** · February 19th, 2007

How soon we all forget: 75% of the games didn't work under XP when it first came out. Why do many of you fail to realize it is no different?

**Mastershakes** · February 19th, 2007

Originally Posted by madmatt

Another vote for x86 (32-bit) after finding out a few production applications (including my choice for security) are not compatible with x64.

Really? We've been hacking away, got most of our shiz running now.... not going to move to it for another year, but it's testing well (VPN, AV, Remote Toolz we use...)

Let me know what you are having trouble with... the Cisco VPN took a bit of tinkering...

**Khayman** · February 19th, 2007

i've only noticed either increases in games performance (for the few x64 games i have) or no difference with Vista64 (previous system was xp64).
Certainly no massive drops or anything

**madmatt** · February 19th, 2007

Originally Posted by Mastershakes

Really? We've been hacking away, got most of our shiz running now.... not going to move to it for another year, but it's testing well (VPN, AV, Remote Toolz we use...)

Let me know what you are having trouble with... the Cisco VPN took a bit of tinkering...

Shakes, I am sure they were problems I could have overcome, but I decided to go with 32-bit for the time being. I plan on going back to 64-bit within six months.

kop48 · February 19th, 2007

Originally Posted by madmatt

How soon we all forget: 75% of the games didn't work under XP when it first came out. Why do many of you fail to realize it is no different?

It's just ironic that MS calls this the 'gaming' OS, then. :P

If they really wanted to badge it so, they should've coordinated their release with some decent video drivers!

**perris** · February 19th, 2007

if you're going to get vista but you do alot of gaming there's really only one choice here

buy the 64 bit vista and stick with xp for your games

simple...by the time games are written for vista they're gonna be writing for 64 bit imho

so that's the strategy, get the 64 bit vista, hang on to 32 bit xp for games

kop48 · February 19th, 2007

That's a bit of a huge overstatement there. I can guarantee that a lot of the up-and-coming games will NOT be 64-bit simply by the fact that 64-bit drivers are a pain in the arse and most 'gaming' hardware tend to release the latest drivers on the 32-bit platform, not the 64-bit. 64-bit gaming is usually an afterthought, once the company has released their game out for a few months.

Prime examples: Half-life 2, Far Cry

Also, Vista (DX10) games are not that far away. We'll start seeing them within the next 6 months. We won't start seeing a huge adoption of 64-bit within that same time.

**perris** · February 19th, 2007

Originally Posted by kop48

That's a bit of a huge overstatement there. I can guarantee that a lot of the up-and-coming games will NOT be 64-bit simply by the fact that 64-bit drivers are a pain in the arse and most 'gaming' hardware tend to release the latest drivers on the 32-bit platform, not the 64-bit. 64-bit gaming is usually an afterthought, once the company has released their game out for a few months.

Prime examples: Half-life 2, Far Cry

Also, Vista (DX10) games are not that far away. We'll start seeing them within the next 6 months. We won't start seeing a huge adoption of 64-bit within that same time.

good point, you're probably right, but don't those games exist for xp?

if they exist for xp and xp support is going to continue, which I kind of think it will, then that's my point, keep running your gaming on xp till they start writing for 64 vista

if those games are not written for xp and are only written for 32 bit vista, then disregard my original advise

if they are written for xp then the advise is sound

kop48 · February 19th, 2007

Ah yes, based on those grounds (XP better for gaming at least for the next 5-6 months), then your advice is VERY sound.

However, since we are going to start seeing DX10 exclusive games, you will need Vista eventually. That said, most of those games will also have a DX9 rendering path - it just won't be as pretty. ;-)

**Shamus MacNoob** · February 20th, 2007

Games that are only DX10 wont sell many copies and that alone shoots the game makers in the place the sun dont shine! They wont do that anytime soon all games will have the DX9 code paths for a good while yet.

GEN3RIC · February 20th, 2007

Those who say 'stay away from Vista for games' don't want Far Cry, or really any DX10 title.. OMGLOSERS.

February 6th, 2007	Top \| #1
-seek- OSNN Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 101 Reputation: 40 Power: 103	64bit or 32bit should i go with 64bit or 32bit... what will run games better in the end? -thx

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Sinster OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: *Mssholechusetts Posts: 519 Reputation: 40 Power: 133**	Re: 64bit or 32bit That's like asking Ford or Chevy... People will give you their input and show you millions of links between XP vs. Vista x86 vs. x64. So you have to take all that information and make the choice. Since Vista is fairly new there isn't a lot of tweaks out there to make games run faster. I'm using the 64 bit version and 2142 runs pretty good. R6Vegas slows down in certain points. But overall my games run smoothly. I think the slow down is caused by my X-Fi Drivers. XFX - 590 SLI AMD 6000+ x2 AM2 2 x 1gb DDR2 EVGA 8800GTX X-Fi Fatal1ty Vista Ultimate CDRW LG 8400B / DVDRW Samsung S182M MX1000 / Logitech G15 Samsung 22" WS 225BW

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American Zombie OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: June 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,864 Reputation: 2689 Power: 151	Re: 64bit or 32bit For now I would go with 32 as driver support for 64 is very limited. Might want to look at: Vista: Should I Install 64-bit or 32-bit Version? (x64 vs x86)

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February 7th, 2007	Top \| #6
madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 297	Re: 64bit or 32bit Another vote for x86 (32-bit) after finding out a few production applications (including my choice for security) are not compatible with x64.

February 7th, 2007	Top \| #7
LeeJend OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: January 2003 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 5,261 Reputation: 3386 Power: 199	Re: 64bit or 32bit Wait until they finish Vista and all it's drivers, then go with the 64 Bit version. Thought for the new millenium: In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? - Open Office - Firefox - Thunderbird - Gimp -Ubuntu - Red Hat -

February 19th, 2007	Top \| #8
dubstar format c: Joined: December 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,358 Reputation: 50 Power: 129	Re: 64bit or 32bit buy a mac and stop playing games. haha just kidding. yuck - macs... QuistPro: 13" macbook pro. mid 2009. 10.6.4 box360: xbox 360 elite apple airport extreme / fios / 10mb/2mb retired: nerdBox: a7n8x-d / xp pro / 2800 athlon xp quistBox: xbox 1.6b / 250g / xenium ice mod-chip quistServ: dell pEdge 600sc / 2k3 blackthorne: dell e1505 / mce / 1.83 duo iQuist: White 3g iPhone / 16g / jailbroken / unlocked TMobile quistMobile: tmobile mda quistMobile2: htc g1

February 19th, 2007	Top \| #9
kop48 OSNN Addict Joined: June 2006 Posts: 209 Reputation: 40 Power: 75	Re: 64bit or 32bit Vista is really, really bad for games atm. I've noticed at least a 50% drop in performance when compared to XP. Stick with XP for now if you play games.

February 19th, 2007	Top \| #10
madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 297	Re: 64bit or 32bit How soon we all forget: 75% of the games didn't work under XP when it first came out. Why do many of you fail to realize it is no different?

February 19th, 2007	Top \| #11
Mastershakes OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: July 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,721 Reputation: 1040 Power: 124	Re: 64bit or 32bit Originally Posted by madmatt Another vote for x86 (32-bit) after finding out a few production applications (including my choice for security) are not compatible with x64. Really? We've been hacking away, got most of our shiz running now.... not going to move to it for another year, but it's testing well (VPN, AV, Remote Toolz we use...) Let me know what you are having trouble with... the Cisco VPN took a bit of tinkering... So many idiots - so little time

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Khayman I'm sorry Hal... Joined: January 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,514 Reputation: 1210 Power: 194	Re: 64bit or 32bit i've only noticed either increases in games performance (for the few x64 games i have) or no difference with Vista64 (previous system was xp64). Certainly no massive drops or anything "I'm on the server side. I don't know what side you're on"

February 19th, 2007	Top \| #13
madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 297	Re: 64bit or 32bit Originally Posted by Mastershakes Really? We've been hacking away, got most of our shiz running now.... not going to move to it for another year, but it's testing well (VPN, AV, Remote Toolz we use...) Let me know what you are having trouble with... the Cisco VPN took a bit of tinkering... Shakes, I am sure they were problems I could have overcome, but I decided to go with 32-bit for the time being. I plan on going back to 64-bit within six months.

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kop48 OSNN Addict Joined: June 2006 Posts: 209 Reputation: 40 Power: 75	Re: 64bit or 32bit Originally Posted by madmatt How soon we all forget: 75% of the games didn't work under XP when it first came out. Why do many of you fail to realize it is no different? It's just ironic that MS calls this the 'gaming' OS, then. :P If they really wanted to badge it so, they should've coordinated their release with some decent video drivers!

February 19th, 2007	Top \| #15
perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,258 Reputation: 4333 Power: 291	Re: 64bit or 32bit if you're going to get vista but you do alot of gaming there's really only one choice here buy the 64 bit vista and stick with xp for your games simple...by the time games are written for vista they're gonna be writing for 64 bit imho so that's the strategy, get the 64 bit vista, hang on to 32 bit xp for games IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

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kop48 OSNN Addict Joined: June 2006 Posts: 209 Reputation: 40 Power: 75	Re: 64bit or 32bit That's a bit of a huge overstatement there. I can guarantee that a lot of the up-and-coming games will NOT be 64-bit simply by the fact that 64-bit drivers are a pain in the arse and most 'gaming' hardware tend to release the latest drivers on the 32-bit platform, not the 64-bit. 64-bit gaming is usually an afterthought, once the company has released their game out for a few months. Prime examples: Half-life 2, Far Cry Also, Vista (DX10) games are not that far away. We'll start seeing them within the next 6 months. We won't start seeing a huge adoption of 64-bit within that same time.

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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,258 Reputation: 4333 Power: 291	Re: 64bit or 32bit Originally Posted by kop48 That's a bit of a huge overstatement there. I can guarantee that a lot of the up-and-coming games will NOT be 64-bit simply by the fact that 64-bit drivers are a pain in the arse and most 'gaming' hardware tend to release the latest drivers on the 32-bit platform, not the 64-bit. 64-bit gaming is usually an afterthought, once the company has released their game out for a few months. Prime examples: Half-life 2, Far Cry Also, Vista (DX10) games are not that far away. We'll start seeing them within the next 6 months. We won't start seeing a huge adoption of 64-bit within that same time. good point, you're probably right, but don't those games exist for xp? if they exist for xp and xp support is going to continue, which I kind of think it will, then that's my point, keep running your gaming on xp till they start writing for 64 vista if those games are not written for xp and are only written for 32 bit vista, then disregard my original advise if they are written for xp then the advise is sound IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

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kop48 OSNN Addict Joined: June 2006 Posts: 209 Reputation: 40 Power: 75	Re: 64bit or 32bit Ah yes, based on those grounds (XP better for gaming at least for the next 5-6 months), then your advice is VERY sound. However, since we are going to start seeing DX10 exclusive games, you will need Vista eventually. That said, most of those games will also have a DX9 rendering path - it just won't be as pretty. ;-)

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GEN3RIC OSNN Senior Addict Joined: April 2005 Location: Woodbury, MN Posts: 634 Reputation: 260 Power: 96	Re: 64bit or 32bit Those who say 'stay away from Vista for games' don't want Far Cry, or really any DX10 title.. OMGLOSERS.