Ubuntu 10.04

**Sazar** · May 9th, 2010

I didn't see a thread on this in here so I figured I'd start one real quick

I got around to installing it earlier today on my external HDD and am dual-booting, sort of, with Win 7 and Ubuntu.

Last time I used a build was with Gutsy Gibbon, in it's early days, and it was a lot of work just getting the damn thing to work.

Fortunately, a lot of nice improvements have been made and, my system was mostly ready to go off the bat

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Features | Ubuntu

The new graphics card based transition effects are nice and while there is no "Aero" with Lucid Lynx, there are a lot of transparencies all over the place and the look, feel, fit and finish are all pretty awesome.

I am still playing around with the OS as it is a new toy for me

**Xie** · May 9th, 2010

9.10 and now 10.04 have taken the place of my Windows 7 box, haven't even looked back. Seven was such a step backwards that Linux (in this case Ubuntu distro) seems like a giant leap forward.

**Sazar** · May 9th, 2010

Originally Posted by Xie

9.10 and now 10.04 have taken the place of my Windows 7 box, haven't even looked back. Seven was such a step backwards that Linux (in this case Ubuntu distro) seems like a giant leap forward.

I guess we use our boxes for different things

If my system was not a productivity/media/gaming box, I would have no problem residing in Ubuntu all day long. The main thing I love is the multiple desktop environments. That is a great idea that should be used in Windows. Outside of that and speed here and there, I don't see any steps backwards

I do game a fair bit and as a result, I have to go back to Win7. For me, it is more a novelty than anything else

I would use this or Moblin in a heartbeat on a netbook or portable tablet (I am trying REALLY hard to get a Latitude XT2 as my sub-notebook/tablet

)

**Xie** · May 9th, 2010

Gaming is really the only thing I haven't tried yet. What would you consider "productivity"? As far as media it'll do what Windows will do.

(Asking these questions because I really want to know, don't take them as flame bait)

**Sazar** · May 10th, 2010

Games is a big thing for me personally

Regarding productivity, I use Office 2010 and Sharepoint for work. I am not going to use Open Office since it simply does not have the functionality I need, nor do I want to learn 2 separate interfaces. I am a big believer in the ribbons of Office and the various productivity aspects of Outlook and Excel compared to what Open Office offers

For media, serving data, I can't do the same things I can in Windows because the applications I use do not work unfortunately

Watching media is one thing, serving to my phone is another

**Xie** · May 10th, 2010

Originally Posted by Sazar

Games is a big thing for me personally

Regarding productivity, I use Office 2010 and Sharepoint for work. I am not going to use Open Office since it simply does not have the functionality I need, nor do I want to learn 2 separate interfaces. I am a big believer in the ribbons of Office and the various productivity aspects of Outlook and Excel compared to what Open Office offers

For media, serving data, I can't do the same things I can in Windows because the applications I use do not work unfortunately

Watching media is one thing, serving to my phone is another

Had a feeling you meant office.

Better you then me, using that stuff (Office or Open Office) makes me kinda sick to the stomach.

Guess I just never got sucked into the MS world as deep.

**X-Istence** · May 10th, 2010

@Sazar: Start memorising short cuts and neither Ribbon nor the Open Office interface will be required.

then again, I'm a big fan of the keyboard so for me it is simpler to learn a few keystrokes than where everything is by moving the mouse.

BTW, Ribbon's UI makes absolutely no sense and trying to teach people how to use it is a pain in the behind and nothing good has come out of it.

**Sazar** · May 11th, 2010

Originally Posted by X-Istence

@Sazar: Start memorising short cuts and neither Ribbon nor the Open Office interface will be required.

I use keyboard short-cuts all the time.

then again, I'm a big fan of the keyboard so for me it is simpler to learn a few keystrokes than where everything is by moving the mouse.

BTW, Ribbon's UI makes absolutely no sense and trying to teach people how to use it is a pain in the behind and nothing good has come out of it.

The UI is fantastic. I have no idea what you are on about but the ribbon has made my life a LOT easier than it used to be

I used nothing but short-cuts back in the day and now I use a balance of short-cuts and the ribbon

**Heeter** · May 11th, 2010

This actually replaced Opensuse10.3 on my workstation at the office. 10.3 is starting to get long in the tooth.

I just am having a crazy time with the window controls on the left, though. To think that I would be getting used to it by now.

Think I might just give Debian5 a two week whirl, maybe before settling in with Ubuntu.

Heeter

**Sazar** · May 11th, 2010

Originally Posted by Heeter

This actually replaced Opensuse10.3 on my workstation at the office. 10.3 is starting to get long in the tooth.

I just am having a crazy time with the window controls on the left, though. To think that I would be getting used to it by now.

Think I might just give Debian5 a two week whirl, maybe before settling in with Ubuntu.

Heeter

I have to agree.

I absolutely detest the left oriented max/min/close buttons.

How moronic

**X-Istence** · May 11th, 2010

Originally Posted by Sazar

I have to agree.

I absolutely detest the left oriented max/min/close buttons.

How moronic

I absolutely detest the right oriented max/min/close buttons.

How moronic

See what I did there?

Personally I don't care what side it is on, as long as there are shortcut keys I can easily hit with my left hand to do the basic things I need to do, such as close a tab in a window, close a window, and whatnot. Luckily for most of those things ctrl + q closes an application and ctrl + w closes a tab in a window. Or on Mac OS X ⌘ + q and ⌘ + w, which is luckily standard across the entire OS, so I don't have to learn new shortcuts for each and every application that decides to use their own shortcuts.

Windows is the only one where I have to hope that ctrl + q works, otherwise I have to reach for my mouse, and luckily I can switch between OS's and whether it is on the right or left I can hit the damn button to close the application, or attempt to hit alt + f4 without hitting something else accidentally.

**Xie** · May 11th, 2010

If you don't like you can change the layout of the buttons as well as the side they appear on:

press "Alt+F2" - You will get the "Run Application" Window.
Type "gconf-editor" - You will get a Configuration Editor Screen as shown in the figure.
Goto "Apps -> Metacity -> General" under the window dropdown menu.
On the right side you can see a key named "button_layout"
It will have a value "maximize,minimize,close" in a different order. Change it to "menu:maximize,minimize,close". The editing can be done by right clicking on the value and pressing "Edit Key".

Press ok. This should do it.

**Sazar** · May 12th, 2010

Originally Posted by X-Istence

I absolutely detest the right oriented max/min/close buttons.

How moronic

See what I did there?

Personally I don't care what side it is on, as long as there are shortcut keys I can easily hit with my left hand to do the basic things I need to do, such as close a tab in a window, close a window, and whatnot. Luckily for most of those things ctrl + q closes an application and ctrl + w closes a tab in a window. Or on Mac OS X ⌘ + q and ⌘ + w, which is luckily standard across the entire OS, so I don't have to learn new shortcuts for each and every application that decides to use their own shortcuts.

Windows is the only one where I have to hope that ctrl + q works, otherwise I have to reach for my mouse, and luckily I can switch between OS's and whether it is on the right or left I can hit the damn button to close the application, or attempt to hit alt + f4 without hitting something else accidentally.

What was the button orientation with the previous iterations of Ubuntu smart-ass?

Alt + F4 works standard in pretty much all active applications in Windows except games which take full focus and are not windows, to my knowledge. Not sure how hitting Alt + F4 is somehow more of a chore for you than ⌘ + q and ⌘ + w and others

I think it would be extremely unpleasant to have a conversation with you about any IT related items.

I am enjoying 10.04 and learning it as I go and will leave it at that. You can keep on about how much Windows and Office suck and all that nice stuff.

**Sazar** · May 12th, 2010

Originally Posted by Xie

If you don't like you can change the layout of the buttons as well as the side they appear on:

Thanks, I'll give this a go.

Right now, Chrome has right-oriented controls and the rest are on the other side.

This might help in making everything consistent again

**Heeter** · May 12th, 2010

Thanks Xie,

Will definitely try that.

X-Istence: I do think that you would be a little flustered yourself if Steve Jobber changed the side the window controls are on on a mac.

Nothing earth changing here, just more of an annoyance than anything else.

Heeter

**X-Istence** · May 13th, 2010

@Heeter: But I am not saying "How moronic" when I move to a different OS from my OS of choice when it comes to where things are located in the "themeing" department.

So basically no, I would not be flustered since I really don't care where the buttons are located, I am able to use either or as I use both Windows and Mac OS X ...

"Heeter: I do think that you would be a little flustered yourself if Steve "Developers Developers Developers" Balmer changed the side the window controls are on in Windows."

**Heeter** · May 14th, 2010

Originally Posted by X-Istence

"Heeter: I do think that you would be a little flustered yourself if Steve "Developers Developers Developers" Balmer changed the side the window controls are on in Windows."

Couldn't agree with you more.

Nothing earth changing here, just more of an annoyance than anything else.

Heeter

**Brad** · May 14th, 2010

Been running this in a VM at work for a couple weeks now and enjoying messing around with stuff. I'm about to install on a separate hard drive in my box at home and run in production and see what's up. I'm not looking forward to losing iTunes though as I have an iPhone, iPod, and iPad that I don't want to lose functionality of

**Heeter** · May 14th, 2010

Hi Brad,

A friend of mine has this setup, and his kids has all those toys. He told me everything is working out of the box.

Heeter

**Brad** · May 15th, 2010

Oh? My understanding is that iTunes doesn't work that well under WINE...at lest according to the WINE website. I'm not calling your friend into question or anything, I just hope he's right

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Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Ubuntu 10.04 I didn't see a thread on this in here so I figured I'd start one real quick I got around to installing it earlier today on my external HDD and am dual-booting, sort of, with Win 7 and Ubuntu. Last time I used a build was with Gutsy Gibbon, in it's early days, and it was a lot of work just getting the damn thing to work. Fortunately, a lot of nice improvements have been made and, my system was mostly ready to go off the bat Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Features \| Ubuntu The new graphics card based transition effects are nice and while there is no "Aero" with Lucid Lynx, there are a lot of transparencies all over the place and the look, feel, fit and finish are all pretty awesome. I am still playing around with the OS as it is a new toy for me Attached Thumbnails Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

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Xie - geek - Joined: September 2003 Location: NY, USA Posts: 5,224 Reputation: 1730 Power: 175	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 9.10 and now 10.04 have taken the place of my Windows 7 box, haven't even looked back. Seven was such a step backwards that Linux (in this case Ubuntu distro) seems like a giant leap forward. tehgeek \| tehgeek \| geeking out to tech \| IRC \| Parted Magic \| A+ Certified Professional

May 9th, 2010	Top \| #3
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Originally Posted by Xie 9.10 and now 10.04 have taken the place of my Windows 7 box, haven't even looked back. Seven was such a step backwards that Linux (in this case Ubuntu distro) seems like a giant leap forward. I guess we use our boxes for different things If my system was not a productivity/media/gaming box, I would have no problem residing in Ubuntu all day long. The main thing I love is the multiple desktop environments. That is a great idea that should be used in Windows. Outside of that and speed here and there, I don't see any steps backwards I do game a fair bit and as a result, I have to go back to Win7. For me, it is more a novelty than anything else I would use this or Moblin in a heartbeat on a netbook or portable tablet (I am trying REALLY hard to get a Latitude XT2 as my sub-notebook/tablet ) Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

May 9th, 2010	Top \| #4
Xie - geek - Joined: September 2003 Location: NY, USA Posts: 5,224 Reputation: 1730 Power: 175	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Gaming is really the only thing I haven't tried yet. What would you consider "productivity"? As far as media it'll do what Windows will do. (Asking these questions because I really want to know, don't take them as flame bait) tehgeek \| tehgeek \| geeking out to tech \| IRC \| Parted Magic \| A+ Certified Professional

May 10th, 2010	Top \| #5
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Games is a big thing for me personally Regarding productivity, I use Office 2010 and Sharepoint for work. I am not going to use Open Office since it simply does not have the functionality I need, nor do I want to learn 2 separate interfaces. I am a big believer in the ribbons of Office and the various productivity aspects of Outlook and Excel compared to what Open Office offers For media, serving data, I can't do the same things I can in Windows because the applications I use do not work unfortunately Watching media is one thing, serving to my phone is another Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

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May 10th, 2010	Top \| #6
Xie - geek - Joined: September 2003 Location: NY, USA Posts: 5,224 Reputation: 1730 Power: 175	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Originally Posted by Sazar Games is a big thing for me personally Regarding productivity, I use Office 2010 and Sharepoint for work. I am not going to use Open Office since it simply does not have the functionality I need, nor do I want to learn 2 separate interfaces. I am a big believer in the ribbons of Office and the various productivity aspects of Outlook and Excel compared to what Open Office offers For media, serving data, I can't do the same things I can in Windows because the applications I use do not work unfortunately Watching media is one thing, serving to my phone is another Had a feeling you meant office. Better you then me, using that stuff (Office or Open Office) makes me kinda sick to the stomach. Guess I just never got sucked into the MS world as deep. tehgeek \| tehgeek \| geeking out to tech \| IRC \| Parted Magic \| A+ Certified Professional

May 10th, 2010	Top \| #7
X-Istence * Joined: December 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,496 Reputation: 2808 Power: 220	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 @Sazar: Start memorising short cuts and neither Ribbon nor the Open Office interface will be required. then again, I'm a big fan of the keyboard so for me it is simpler to learn a few keystrokes than where everything is by moving the mouse. BTW, Ribbon's UI makes absolutely no sense and trying to teach people how to use it is a pain in the behind and nothing good has come out of it. An engineers technical notebook

May 11th, 2010	Top \| #8
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Originally Posted by X-Istence @Sazar: Start memorising short cuts and neither Ribbon nor the Open Office interface will be required. I use keyboard short-cuts all the time. then again, I'm a big fan of the keyboard so for me it is simpler to learn a few keystrokes than where everything is by moving the mouse. BTW, Ribbon's UI makes absolutely no sense and trying to teach people how to use it is a pain in the behind and nothing good has come out of it. The UI is fantastic. I have no idea what you are on about but the ribbon has made my life a LOT easier than it used to be I used nothing but short-cuts back in the day and now I use a balance of short-cuts and the ribbon Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

May 11th, 2010	Top \| #9
Heeter Overclocked Like A Mother Joined: July 2002 Location: In front of my computer Posts: 2,729 Reputation: 684 Power: 154	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 This actually replaced Opensuse10.3 on my workstation at the office. 10.3 is starting to get long in the tooth. I just am having a crazy time with the window controls on the left, though. To think that I would be getting used to it by now. Think I might just give Debian5 a two week whirl, maybe before settling in with Ubuntu. Heeter

May 11th, 2010	Top \| #10
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Originally Posted by Heeter This actually replaced Opensuse10.3 on my workstation at the office. 10.3 is starting to get long in the tooth. I just am having a crazy time with the window controls on the left, though. To think that I would be getting used to it by now. Think I might just give Debian5 a two week whirl, maybe before settling in with Ubuntu. Heeter I have to agree. I absolutely detest the left oriented max/min/close buttons. How moronic Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

May 11th, 2010	Top \| #11
X-Istence * Joined: December 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,496 Reputation: 2808 Power: 220	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Originally Posted by Sazar I have to agree. I absolutely detest the left oriented max/min/close buttons. How moronic I absolutely detest the right oriented max/min/close buttons. How moronic See what I did there? Personally I don't care what side it is on, as long as there are shortcut keys I can easily hit with my left hand to do the basic things I need to do, such as close a tab in a window, close a window, and whatnot. Luckily for most of those things ctrl + q closes an application and ctrl + w closes a tab in a window. Or on Mac OS X ⌘ + q and ⌘ + w, which is luckily standard across the entire OS, so I don't have to learn new shortcuts for each and every application that decides to use their own shortcuts. Windows is the only one where I have to hope that ctrl + q works, otherwise I have to reach for my mouse, and luckily I can switch between OS's and whether it is on the right or left I can hit the damn button to close the application, or attempt to hit alt + f4 without hitting something else accidentally. An engineers technical notebook

May 11th, 2010	Top \| #12
Xie - geek - Joined: September 2003 Location: NY, USA Posts: 5,224 Reputation: 1730 Power: 175	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 If you don't like you can change the layout of the buttons as well as the side they appear on: press "Alt+F2" - You will get the "Run Application" Window. Type "gconf-editor" - You will get a Configuration Editor Screen as shown in the figure. Goto "Apps -> Metacity -> General" under the window dropdown menu. On the right side you can see a key named "button_layout" It will have a value "maximize,minimize,close" in a different order. Change it to "menu:maximize,minimize,close". The editing can be done by right clicking on the value and pressing "Edit Key". Press ok. This should do it. tehgeek \| tehgeek \| geeking out to tech \| IRC \| Parted Magic \| A+ Certified Professional

May 12th, 2010	Top \| #13
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Originally Posted by X-Istence I absolutely detest the right oriented max/min/close buttons. How moronic See what I did there? Personally I don't care what side it is on, as long as there are shortcut keys I can easily hit with my left hand to do the basic things I need to do, such as close a tab in a window, close a window, and whatnot. Luckily for most of those things ctrl + q closes an application and ctrl + w closes a tab in a window. Or on Mac OS X ⌘ + q and ⌘ + w, which is luckily standard across the entire OS, so I don't have to learn new shortcuts for each and every application that decides to use their own shortcuts. Windows is the only one where I have to hope that ctrl + q works, otherwise I have to reach for my mouse, and luckily I can switch between OS's and whether it is on the right or left I can hit the damn button to close the application, or attempt to hit alt + f4 without hitting something else accidentally. What was the button orientation with the previous iterations of Ubuntu smart-ass? Alt + F4 works standard in pretty much all active applications in Windows except games which take full focus and are not windows, to my knowledge. Not sure how hitting Alt + F4 is somehow more of a chore for you than ⌘ + q and ⌘ + w and others I think it would be extremely unpleasant to have a conversation with you about any IT related items. I am enjoying 10.04 and learning it as I go and will leave it at that. You can keep on about how much Windows and Office suck and all that nice stuff. Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

May 12th, 2010	Top \| #14
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Originally Posted by Xie If you don't like you can change the layout of the buttons as well as the side they appear on: Thanks, I'll give this a go. Right now, Chrome has right-oriented controls and the rest are on the other side. This might help in making everything consistent again Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

May 12th, 2010	Top \| #15
Heeter Overclocked Like A Mother Joined: July 2002 Location: In front of my computer Posts: 2,729 Reputation: 684 Power: 154	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Thanks Xie, Will definitely try that. X-Istence: I do think that you would be a little flustered yourself if Steve Jobber changed the side the window controls are on on a mac. Nothing earth changing here, just more of an annoyance than anything else. Heeter

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May 13th, 2010	Top \| #16
X-Istence * Joined: December 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,496 Reputation: 2808 Power: 220	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 @Heeter: But I am not saying "How moronic" when I move to a different OS from my OS of choice when it comes to where things are located in the "themeing" department. So basically no, I would not be flustered since I really don't care where the buttons are located, I am able to use either or as I use both Windows and Mac OS X ... "Heeter: I do think that you would be a little flustered yourself if Steve "Developers Developers Developers" Balmer changed the side the window controls are on in Windows." An engineers technical notebook

May 14th, 2010	Top \| #17
Heeter Overclocked Like A Mother Joined: July 2002 Location: In front of my computer Posts: 2,729 Reputation: 684 Power: 154	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Originally Posted by X-Istence "Heeter: I do think that you would be a little flustered yourself if Steve "Developers Developers Developers" Balmer changed the side the window controls are on in Windows." Couldn't agree with you more. Nothing earth changing here, just more of an annoyance than anything else. Heeter

May 14th, 2010	Top \| #18
Brad OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2002 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 2,276 Blog Entries: 1 Reputation: 1552 Power: 161	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Been running this in a VM at work for a couple weeks now and enjoying messing around with stuff. I'm about to install on a separate hard drive in my box at home and run in production and see what's up. I'm not looking forward to losing iTunes though as I have an iPhone, iPod, and iPad that I don't want to lose functionality of

May 14th, 2010	Top \| #19
Heeter Overclocked Like A Mother Joined: July 2002 Location: In front of my computer Posts: 2,729 Reputation: 684 Power: 154	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Hi Brad, A friend of mine has this setup, and his kids has all those toys. He told me everything is working out of the box. Heeter

May 15th, 2010	Top \| #20
Brad OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2002 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 2,276 Blog Entries: 1 Reputation: 1552 Power: 161	Re: Ubuntu 10.04 Oh? My understanding is that iTunes doesn't work that well under WINE...at lest according to the WINE website. I'm not calling your friend into question or anything, I just hope he's right