Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD

**VenomXt** · March 24th, 2006

http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html (Cursur over the images to see the diffrence.)

Sorry i cant link the images so your gona have to go to the site. Really kinda cool.

Being amazed at how fantastic the HD transfer of Fellowship of the Ring looked, I decided to compare it to the transfer on the DVD. Now, the DVD transfer is among the best you can find on DVD, so this really is comparing the respective creams of the crops.

I used WinDVD 6 to capture files from the DVD, and Elecard Mpeg2 player to capture from the HD stream. Both were captured directly to BMP files and converted to JPG at very high quality so there should be almost no artifacting introduced (sorry, the BMP files were too large to use).

I used Photoshop to bicubically resample the DVD source images from 852x480 to match the 1920x1080 of the HD images. This page features the HD image sampled down to the DVD's resolution of 852x480. Surprisingly, even at DVD-resolution the HD source features more detail.

Mouseover any of the images here to see the HD downsample. You can see the full-size comparisons by clicking on the images on this page. The difference is pretty amazing.

I tried to capture identical frames on both sources, but I missed by a frame or two on some of these.

**Grandmaster** · March 24th, 2006

It really brings out the minute details such as hair. Although the HD images seem darker.

In the end only the hardcore fans will really care.

**Sazar** · March 24th, 2006

That's pretty impressive.

**Evil Marge** · March 24th, 2006

HD pictures are slightly clearer but way too dull and dark,I'd have to stick with the originals

**Khayman** · March 24th, 2006

the HD ones look sooo much better, dunno where this dull and dark comes from. Look great

**fitz** · March 24th, 2006

The Balrog looks pretty stunning though..

**Sazar** · March 24th, 2006

The picture is a different hue/shade/brightness BUT better detail.

The colors actually look nicer to me in some shots, not quite as over-bright.

However the shots are slightly off in sequence for quite a few of them, so keep that in mind.

All-in-all, I wouldn't mind something like this. All I would need is a gigantic tele to watch it on.

**Evil Marge** · March 24th, 2006

I'm just happy to have a tv,the little telly in here is a cute black and white one

**kcnychief** · March 24th, 2006

That is simply amazing picture. Although I'm not overly surprised, as I have a HDTV on my desk at work and get to watch anything sports related in Hi Def all the time. Watching the NCAAB tournament lately has been a real treat

I want one really bad for home, just have to stay focused and save for the things that matter atm, like wedding and house.

I also noticed some of the HD pics were a bit darker and out of sequence. They started off better but seemed to get worse towards the end.

verbosus · March 25th, 2006

Wow nice job on the duplicity of these technologies.

DVD vs HD
Although technically a different field of application, the science of Film based Photography plays a roll here, although the differences can be linked to limitations in each ones respective technologies.

A more complete picture takes into account saturation.
The images used on these pages are the result of technically limited saturation processes.. The image on top is more fully saturated, and the one on the bottom is less saturated.
More saturated colors are also considered more bold and tied to emotions, while unsaturated ones are softer and less striking.
Saturation, is the amount of gray in a particular color.

A color with more gray is considered less saturated, while a bright color, one with very little gray in it, is considered highly saturated. The amount of saturation does not affect the basic hue of a color and it also is unrelated to the value (amount of light or darkness in a color.) For example, if we take away the colors in an image, the tonal values will remain. However, taking away the colors themselves will make the image completely unsaturated. A more saturated color is also called a more 'pure' color because it is undisturbed by gray.

Any way that’s my take on the issue

**Petros** · March 25th, 2006

It looks nice...when you look at the DVD version, it seems like an out-of-focus version of the HD

vertigo · March 25th, 2006

no offence to the guy who did the comparison, but he doesn't know very much. i dont recall dvd res going any higher than 720x576, where'd he get a 852x480? im thinking its an mpeg4 encode he's comparing it to. its also stupid to capture frames with different software which use different decoders which means different colour-brightness-saturation levels, not to mention deinterlacing. png wouldve been better than jpg, especially as he was contemplating using bmp. also i'm not so sure he took into account that its the I frames that must be compared.

I tried to capture identical frames on both sources, but I missed by a frame or two on some of these

lol

not trying to be mean though, just tellin it like it is. for some real sd vs hdtv comparisons, search forums like http://dtvforum.info

**Evil Marge** · March 25th, 2006

Just remember no matter how good the quality of the picture,no matter how much you pay for a tv the majority of programmes are still crap childish rubbish

**kcnychief** · March 25th, 2006

Originally Posted by Evil Marge

Just remember no matter how good the quality of the picture,no matter how much you pay for a tv the majority of programmes are still crap childish rubbish

Very true

**technokid88** · March 27th, 2006

hd looks nice, very sharp, yeah you could make them dance lol

bmontini · March 29th, 2006

HD is awesome, wonder what this would look like on HD DVD or Blu-ray when available.... hmmmm

March 24th, 2006	Top \| #1
VenomXt Blame me for the RAZR's Joined: March 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,442 Reputation: 1240 Power: 146	Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html (Cursur over the images to see the diffrence.) Sorry i cant link the images so your gona have to go to the site. Really kinda cool. Being amazed at how fantastic the HD transfer of Fellowship of the Ring looked, I decided to compare it to the transfer on the DVD. Now, the DVD transfer is among the best you can find on DVD, so this really is comparing the respective creams of the crops. I used WinDVD 6 to capture files from the DVD, and Elecard Mpeg2 player to capture from the HD stream. Both were captured directly to BMP files and converted to JPG at very high quality so there should be almost no artifacting introduced (sorry, the BMP files were too large to use). I used Photoshop to bicubically resample the DVD source images from 852x480 to match the 1920x1080 of the HD images. This page features the HD image sampled down to the DVD's resolution of 852x480. Surprisingly, even at DVD-resolution the HD source features more detail. Mouseover any of the images here to see the HD downsample. You can see the full-size comparisons by clicking on the images on this page. The difference is pretty amazing. I tried to capture identical frames on both sources, but I missed by a frame or two on some of these. www.venomxt.com

March 24th, 2006	Top \| #2
Grandmaster Electronica Addict Joined: February 2002 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 10,574 Reputation: 2960 Power: 260	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD It really brings out the minute details such as hair. Although the HD images seem darker. In the end only the hardcore fans will really care.

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Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD That's pretty impressive. Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

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Evil Marge I Rule Joined: July 2002 Location: Teesside, the land of smog Posts: 6,547 Reputation: 2337 Power: 209	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD HD pictures are slightly clearer but way too dull and dark,I'd have to stick with the originals . Google+

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Khayman I'm sorry Hal... Joined: January 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,514 Reputation: 1210 Power: 194	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD the HD ones look sooo much better, dunno where this dull and dark comes from. Look great "I'm on the server side. I don't know what side you're on"

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March 24th, 2006	Top \| #6
fitz *XPista7eopardix Joined: April 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 4,028 Reputation: 2947 Power: 168**	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD The Balrog looks pretty stunning though.. Hee-hee! Evil makes my buttocks tingle.

March 24th, 2006	Top \| #7
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD The picture is a different hue/shade/brightness BUT better detail. The colors actually look nicer to me in some shots, not quite as over-bright. However the shots are slightly off in sequence for quite a few of them, so keep that in mind. All-in-all, I wouldn't mind something like this. All I would need is a gigantic tele to watch it on. Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

March 24th, 2006	Top \| #8
Evil Marge I Rule Joined: July 2002 Location: Teesside, the land of smog Posts: 6,547 Reputation: 2337 Power: 209	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD I'm just happy to have a tv,the little telly in here is a cute black and white one . Google+

March 24th, 2006	Top \| #9
kcnychief █▄█ ▀█▄ █ Joined: April 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,949 Reputation: 4941 Power: 305	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD That is simply amazing picture. Although I'm not overly surprised, as I have a HDTV on my desk at work and get to watch anything sports related in Hi Def all the time. Watching the NCAAB tournament lately has been a real treat I want one really bad for home, just have to stay focused and save for the things that matter atm, like wedding and house. I also noticed some of the HD pics were a bit darker and out of sequence. They started off better but seemed to get worse towards the end. XBOX Live Gamertag: kcnychief

March 25th, 2006	Top \| #10
verbosus VERBOSUS Joined: March 2006 Location: Calif/Utah Posts: 2 Reputation: 0 Power: 0	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD Wow nice job on the duplicity of these technologies. DVD vs HD Although technically a different field of application, the science of Film based Photography plays a roll here, although the differences can be linked to limitations in each ones respective technologies. A more complete picture takes into account saturation. The images used on these pages are the result of technically limited saturation processes.. The image on top is more fully saturated, and the one on the bottom is less saturated. More saturated colors are also considered more bold and tied to emotions, while unsaturated ones are softer and less striking. Saturation, is the amount of gray in a particular color. A color with more gray is considered less saturated, while a bright color, one with very little gray in it, is considered highly saturated. The amount of saturation does not affect the basic hue of a color and it also is unrelated to the value (amount of light or darkness in a color.) For example, if we take away the colors in an image, the tonal values will remain. However, taking away the colors themselves will make the image completely unsaturated. A more saturated color is also called a more 'pure' color because it is undisturbed by gray. Any way that’s my take on the issue For Words Sake Just Speak

March 25th, 2006	Top \| #11
Petros Thief IV Joined: May 2003 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,038 Reputation: 1647 Power: 156	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD It looks nice...when you look at the DVD version, it seems like an out-of-focus version of the HD

March 25th, 2006	Top \| #12
vertigo OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2005 Posts: 330 Reputation: 150 Power: 83	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD no offence to the guy who did the comparison, but he doesn't know very much. i dont recall dvd res going any higher than 720x576, where'd he get a 852x480? im thinking its an mpeg4 encode he's comparing it to. its also stupid to capture frames with different software which use different decoders which means different colour-brightness-saturation levels, not to mention deinterlacing. png wouldve been better than jpg, especially as he was contemplating using bmp. also i'm not so sure he took into account that its the I frames that must be compared. I tried to capture identical frames on both sources, but I missed by a frame or two on some of these lol not trying to be mean though, just tellin it like it is. for some real sd vs hdtv comparisons, search forums like http://dtvforum.info

March 25th, 2006	Top \| #13
Evil Marge I Rule Joined: July 2002 Location: Teesside, the land of smog Posts: 6,547 Reputation: 2337 Power: 209	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD Just remember no matter how good the quality of the picture,no matter how much you pay for a tv the majority of programmes are still crap childish rubbish . Google+

March 25th, 2006	Top \| #14
kcnychief █▄█ ▀█▄ █ Joined: April 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,949 Reputation: 4941 Power: 305	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD Originally Posted by Evil Marge Just remember no matter how good the quality of the picture,no matter how much you pay for a tv the majority of programmes are still crap childish rubbish Very true XBOX Live Gamertag: kcnychief

March 27th, 2006	Top \| #15
technokid88 Part of a System Joined: February 2006 Location: In a world without windows Posts: 740 Reputation: 867 Power: 92	Re: Fellowship of the Ring - HD vs DVD hd looks nice, very sharp, yeah you could make them dance lol "If you've done things right,people won't be sure if you've done anything at all" www.playfart.com www.playhawk.com

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