Very Angry Person

scriptasylum · July 1st, 2003

I need some unofficial advice on how to proceed here.

Firstly, I run a website of javascript and DHTML scripts (http://www.scriptasylum.com) which are free for anyone to download and use. I have a notice saying the scripts are to be used as "freeware".

I found out recently that this site, http://www.popovergenerator.com, has stolen a certain script from my site, removed the credits, renamed the file, and is selling it as his own!

Does anyone know of anything I can do to this person other than simply threaten him with legal action?

popovergenerator.com link fixed it had the , in the link - Geffy

**Geffy** · July 1st, 2003

do you have something on your sites saying not to do this??

you can ask them to replace it with a legitimate version
You can put additional restrictions on the scripts regarding this kind of thing
You could also mention (if you have a news section of your site) that that site is not to be trusted and that he has been stealing scripts.

**Un4gIvEn1** · July 1st, 2003

Out of curiosity, I would like to know which script it is that he has stolen.

**Un4gIvEn1** · July 1st, 2003

ignore me... guess if I would have went to the site first I would have known...

**Geffy** · July 1st, 2003

if he is selling the script then I think you might have a legal leg to stand on as he is making money on something which you have intellectual rights to.
You should also try to Copyright the scripts they can still be used as freeware though it will mean that it is legally harder for someone to get away with stealing them.

I am not a lawyer of any kind, this is just my basic understanding of how it might play out

scriptasylum · July 1st, 2003

My FAQ page says the following (taken from the page itself):

Q: Does it cost anything to use the scripts found here?

A: No, the scripts found here are freeware and are bound by the rules governing freeware. Altering the code for private sale is prohibited.

If someone would like to donate a small token of appreciation, my mailing address can be found here. I also would ask for some type of credit back to this site somewhere on your page and/or in the script.

You would think this would be adequate.

The thief's site does not have an email address (how shady is that!), but I did write to the people who left testimonials on that site saying that they wasted their money on stolen software.

I actually had found a different guy doing the same thing yesterday, and sent the webmaster a cease-and-desist letter. He sent me back one today saying he would remove my code from his site. I did post a notice on my site telling people about the first guy, I'll add the second site on the notice later today when I get home.

I personally think javascript/HTML/DHTML are cool "net-gadgets", but not "real" software. My site is just a collection of stuff I've written and decided to share with the web community for the sake of learning and because it is fun. To have someone take code and sell it as their own is infuriating. At least they could have re-written it to be different, yet have the same effect.

scriptasylum · July 1st, 2003

Originally posted by Geffy
if he is selling the script then I think you might have a legal leg to stand on as he is making money on something which you have intellectual rights to.
You should also try to Copyright the scripts they can still be used as freeware though it will mean that it is legally harder for someone to get away with stealing them.

I am not a lawyer of any kind, this is just my basic understanding of how it might play out

How the heck do I copyright something? Do I just say it's copyrighted, and "poof!" it's done? I don't really want to incur any legal fees over this crap, I'd rather take the site down!

I think I need to go chill out for a while and cool down. Thanks for your responses!

scriptasylum · July 1st, 2003

Originally posted by Un4gIvEn1
Out of curiosity, I would like to know which script it is that he has stolen.

Lol, yeah, I guess I could have pointed that out. I'm too flustered. There's an example on the homepage, but if you want to see the demo page for the script, go to http://www.scriptasylum.com/misc/popup/popup.html

**Tabula Rasa** · July 1st, 2003

Can't think of nothing that can help (that you havent already done), Just wanted to say its a really neat site.

scriptasylum · July 1st, 2003

Originally posted by Benny
Can't think of nothing that can help (that you havent already done), Just wanted to say its a really neat site.

Thanks for the help everyone. I'll post a copyright notice and hope this stops these idiots from doing this.

**rushm001** · July 1st, 2003

Originally posted by scriptasylum
How the heck do I copyright something? Do I just say it's copyrighted, and "poof!" it's done? I don't really want to incur any legal fees over this crap, I'd rather take the site down!

Just saying that it is copyrighted is enough. You don't have to register a copyright with any authorities like with a trade mark.

**Teddy** · July 1st, 2003

This 'whois?' may help in your cause...

Domain Name: POPOVERGENERATOR.COM
Registrar: BULKREGISTER, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.bulkregister.com
Referral URL: http://www.bulkregister.com
Name Server: NS1.RACKSHACK.NET
Name Server: NS2.RACKSHACK.NET
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 13-apr-2003
Creation Date: 13-apr-2003
Expiration Date: 13-apr-2004

**Friend of Bill** · July 1st, 2003

What ashame that something like this has happened. I've learned throughout life that if it isn't nailed down or protected by 10 feet of legal documents it will get stolen.

Perhaps, you can speak to a lawyer about this incident. Check with a lawyer referal service. You will find that many lawyers will give you an initial free consultation. Good luck, and nice site.

scriptasylum · July 1st, 2003

Originally posted by rushm001
Just saying that it is copyrighted is enough. You don't have to register a copyright with any authorities like with a trade mark.

Thanks!

When I got home today, I went through all my main pages (ones accessed through the menu) and added a copyright notice. I also beefed up the Terms of Use section on my FAQ page so it leaves little room for misinterpretation. Then I added the URL for both sites on my "warning" window to warn people not to buy freeware code.

I got some pretty good info from this site about copyrights: http://www.whatiscopyright.org

Thanks for the whois Teddy. It doesn't give his email addy so I can't rant at him though. I'll try writing the host for his site, maybe they have some policies against that sort of thing.

Hopefully there won't be too many suckers that fall for his scheme. It would be a shame to see people waste money like that.

scriptasylum · July 1st, 2003

Originally posted by SnookBooger
What ashame that something like this has happened. I've learned throughout life that if it isn't nailed down or protected by 10 feet of legal documents it will get stolen.

Perhaps, you can speak to a lawyer about this incident. Check with a lawyer referal service. You will find that many lawyers will give you an initial free consultation. Good luck, and nice site.

To tell you the truth, I don't have much faith in our justice system. Everyday you hear about some crazy lawsuit that wins (like the lady with the hot McDonalds coffee she was stupid enough to put between her legs

). What happened to common sense and basic decency??

Thanks Snook. I'll check my yellow pages in a while. First I'll just try to "scare" him by email into pulling the code off his site. I doubt that will work though.

**Friend of Bill** · July 1st, 2003

Suggestion: Be very tactful and diplomatic in the way you communicate with him or he may try to turn the table on you.

**Un4gIvEn1** · July 1st, 2003

Hey... give this a try! armand@gogenerator.com

The link at the bottom of the page is to the company that supposedly created it. He has a bunch of apps. This is what you get when you try to "Contact Us"

Good luck dewd!

**Erbmaster** · July 1st, 2003

Just wanna add my 2 penn'orth;
Plaguerism sucks in any way shape or form and I feel for ya scriptasylum.
I was ripped off similarly with a shop sign fascia design when I was at college.
At the time the only advice I could obtain (pre-google days lol) was to make a duplicate of the work before submission to a client, and post it to yourself. (Use an envelope that can't be opened without tearing it first)
When the mail arrives, just keep that letter unopened somewhere safe.
This will stand in a U.K. court of law as date-stamped evidence of your creation, and can be opened in court as proof (Can't speak for U.S. law though m8.)
Obviously in the case of your scripts/code this wont be easy to replicate....sure you could print all your scripts and mail them to yourself, but this would be time consuming and ultimately will leave you out of pocket as you develop new scripts.

Maybe someone here knows of a tamper-proof way to do this digitally. It may not help scriptasylum with the aforementioned script but would certainly help prove ownership of any future endeavours.

Good Luck with giving that thief what he deserves

**X-Istence** · July 2nd, 2003

So i geuss i am not the only one getting my scripts stolen.

My script was a free PHP script i developed for someone, and it had my copyright on it, but i gave the guy permission to show the source, but in no way was anyone allowed to use it like it was.

So then i surf some sites, and i come across my script, copyright removed, but it still had my email addy as the support adress =). Stupid person, sent him a email, and he removed it.

Anyways, the way i could prove it was mine was the email addy, but another way was that i always pack all my scripts up in a tar.gz and save it somewhere on my server where noone will touch it, and i forget about it unless i need to prove something, i also email it to myself and i send it to my uncle who then keeps it safe with the time stamp on it.

Works good.

About your working being stolen like that, i suggest sending a cease and desist letter, and if that doesnt work email rackshack, they could probably be able to help you.

If it has some sort of copyright notice in the script, they are doing something illegal.

scriptasylum · July 2nd, 2003

Originally posted by X-Istence
So i geuss i am not the only one getting my scripts stolen.

My script was a free PHP script i developed for someone, and it had my copyright on it, but i gave the guy permission to show the source, but in no way was anyone allowed to use it like it was.

So then i surf some sites, and i come across my script, copyright removed, but it still had my email addy as the support adress =). Stupid person, sent him a email, and he removed it.

Anyways, the way i could prove it was mine was the email addy, but another way was that i always pack all my scripts up in a tar.gz and save it somewhere on my server where noone will touch it, and i forget about it unless i need to prove something, i also email it to myself and i send it to my uncle who then keeps it safe with the time stamp on it.

Works good.

About your working being stolen like that, i suggest sending a cease and desist letter, and if that doesnt work email rackshack, they could probably be able to help you.

If it has some sort of copyright notice in the script, they are doing something illegal.

Unfortunately, my scripts are client-based javascript/DHTML, therefore making a tarball won't help much. My scripts are free! I don't require money, it's just something I do for fun. The whole idea for my site is so aspiring webmasters can learn stuff and get some free code... as long as they leave the credits intact. I suppose I could encode the javascript, but that defeats the site's purpose. Plus, it's quite easy to decode.

I had my name/URL, release info, version number, etc in the js script file and the guy removed it. I still know it's mine because there are few people who have developed the windows I designed, plus I can tell my code by the way I write. I even keep old versions and I compared his and he was using an older version. He's just a jack@$$.

Oh well.

You mentioned to email rackshack, who is rackshack? The rackshack is some type of kayak reseller.

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scriptasylum OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: Des Moines,IA Posts: 832 Reputation: 0 Power: 135	Very Angry Person I need some unofficial advice on how to proceed here. Firstly, I run a website of javascript and DHTML scripts (http://www.scriptasylum.com) which are free for anyone to download and use. I have a notice saying the scripts are to be used as "freeware". I found out recently that this site, http://www.popovergenerator.com, has stolen a certain script from my site, removed the credits, renamed the file, and is selling it as his own! Does anyone know of anything I can do to this person other than simply threaten him with legal action? popovergenerator.com link fixed it had the , in the link - Geffy Gigabyte GA-8KVNXP A64 3200 1MB Cache "CG" stepping SLK-948U & SilenX 92mm fan 1GB Centon PC3500 DDR (CAS 2.5) ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (410/360) w/ VGA Silencer Rev2 2 x 36GB WD SATA Raptor in RAID0 IDE 200GB Seagate Stealth Lite-On DVD Burner Lian-Li PC-82 case with 80mm SilenX fans all around 550w Fully Sleeved Antec True Power PS 3DMark2001 (20955) 3DMark2003 (6389)

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Geffy OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,805 Reputation: 1490 Power: 217	do you have something on your sites saying not to do this?? you can ask them to replace it with a legitimate version You can put additional restrictions on the scripts regarding this kind of thing You could also mention (if you have a news section of your site) that that site is not to be trusted and that he has been stealing scripts.  • blog • tumblog • lastfm • flickr • #rubyonrails • @twitter "I could be replaced with a very small shell script"

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Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	Out of curiosity, I would like to know which script it is that he has stolen. Welcome to a world where the air I breathe is mine Nothing to overwhelm me and nothing to cloud my mind Be anyone, do anything I'd ever want to try Time doesn't exist here - I will never die

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Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	ignore me... guess if I would have went to the site first I would have known... Welcome to a world where the air I breathe is mine Nothing to overwhelm me and nothing to cloud my mind Be anyone, do anything I'd ever want to try Time doesn't exist here - I will never die

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Geffy OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,805 Reputation: 1490 Power: 217	if he is selling the script then I think you might have a legal leg to stand on as he is making money on something which you have intellectual rights to. You should also try to Copyright the scripts they can still be used as freeware though it will mean that it is legally harder for someone to get away with stealing them. I am not a lawyer of any kind, this is just my basic understanding of how it might play out  • blog • tumblog • lastfm • flickr • #rubyonrails • @twitter "I could be replaced with a very small shell script"

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July 1st, 2003	Top \| #6
scriptasylum OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: Des Moines,IA Posts: 832 Reputation: 0 Power: 135	My FAQ page says the following (taken from the page itself): Q: Does it cost anything to use the scripts found here? A: No, the scripts found here are freeware and are bound by the rules governing freeware. Altering the code for private sale is prohibited. If someone would like to donate a small token of appreciation, my mailing address can be found here. I also would ask for some type of credit back to this site somewhere on your page and/or in the script. You would think this would be adequate. The thief's site does not have an email address (how shady is that!), but I did write to the people who left testimonials on that site saying that they wasted their money on stolen software. I actually had found a different guy doing the same thing yesterday, and sent the webmaster a cease-and-desist letter. He sent me back one today saying he would remove my code from his site. I did post a notice on my site telling people about the first guy, I'll add the second site on the notice later today when I get home. I personally think javascript/HTML/DHTML are cool "net-gadgets", but not "real" software. My site is just a collection of stuff I've written and decided to share with the web community for the sake of learning and because it is fun. To have someone take code and sell it as their own is infuriating. At least they could have re-written it to be different, yet have the same effect. Gigabyte GA-8KVNXP A64 3200 1MB Cache "CG" stepping SLK-948U & SilenX 92mm fan 1GB Centon PC3500 DDR (CAS 2.5) ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (410/360) w/ VGA Silencer Rev2 2 x 36GB WD SATA Raptor in RAID0 IDE 200GB Seagate Stealth Lite-On DVD Burner Lian-Li PC-82 case with 80mm SilenX fans all around 550w Fully Sleeved Antec True Power PS 3DMark2001 (20955) 3DMark2003 (6389)

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scriptasylum OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: Des Moines,IA Posts: 832 Reputation: 0 Power: 135	Originally posted by Geffy if he is selling the script then I think you might have a legal leg to stand on as he is making money on something which you have intellectual rights to. You should also try to Copyright the scripts they can still be used as freeware though it will mean that it is legally harder for someone to get away with stealing them. I am not a lawyer of any kind, this is just my basic understanding of how it might play out How the heck do I copyright something? Do I just say it's copyrighted, and "poof!" it's done? I don't really want to incur any legal fees over this crap, I'd rather take the site down! I think I need to go chill out for a while and cool down. Thanks for your responses! Gigabyte GA-8KVNXP A64 3200 1MB Cache "CG" stepping SLK-948U & SilenX 92mm fan 1GB Centon PC3500 DDR (CAS 2.5) ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (410/360) w/ VGA Silencer Rev2 2 x 36GB WD SATA Raptor in RAID0 IDE 200GB Seagate Stealth Lite-On DVD Burner Lian-Li PC-82 case with 80mm SilenX fans all around 550w Fully Sleeved Antec True Power PS 3DMark2001 (20955) 3DMark2003 (6389)

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scriptasylum OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: Des Moines,IA Posts: 832 Reputation: 0 Power: 135	Originally posted by Un4gIvEn1 Out of curiosity, I would like to know which script it is that he has stolen. Lol, yeah, I guess I could have pointed that out. I'm too flustered. There's an example on the homepage, but if you want to see the demo page for the script, go to http://www.scriptasylum.com/misc/popup/popup.html Gigabyte GA-8KVNXP A64 3200 1MB Cache "CG" stepping SLK-948U & SilenX 92mm fan 1GB Centon PC3500 DDR (CAS 2.5) ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (410/360) w/ VGA Silencer Rev2 2 x 36GB WD SATA Raptor in RAID0 IDE 200GB Seagate Stealth Lite-On DVD Burner Lian-Li PC-82 case with 80mm SilenX fans all around 550w Fully Sleeved Antec True Power PS 3DMark2001 (20955) 3DMark2003 (6389)

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Tabula Rasa Stranger Than Kindness Joined: July 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 3,233 Reputation: 450 Power: 157	Can't think of nothing that can help (that you havent already done), Just wanted to say its a really neat site.

July 1st, 2003	Top \| #10
scriptasylum OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: Des Moines,IA Posts: 832 Reputation: 0 Power: 135	Originally posted by Benny Can't think of nothing that can help (that you havent already done), Just wanted to say its a really neat site. Thanks for the help everyone. I'll post a copyright notice and hope this stops these idiots from doing this. Gigabyte GA-8KVNXP A64 3200 1MB Cache "CG" stepping SLK-948U & SilenX 92mm fan 1GB Centon PC3500 DDR (CAS 2.5) ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (410/360) w/ VGA Silencer Rev2 2 x 36GB WD SATA Raptor in RAID0 IDE 200GB Seagate Stealth Lite-On DVD Burner Lian-Li PC-82 case with 80mm SilenX fans all around 550w Fully Sleeved Antec True Power PS 3DMark2001 (20955) 3DMark2003 (6389)

July 1st, 2003	Top \| #11
rushm001 In the beginning...... Joined: September 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,480 Reputation: 1370 Power: 165	Originally posted by scriptasylum How the heck do I copyright something? Do I just say it's copyrighted, and "poof!" it's done? I don't really want to incur any legal fees over this crap, I'd rather take the site down! Just saying that it is copyrighted is enough. You don't have to register a copyright with any authorities like with a trade mark.

July 1st, 2003	Top \| #12
Teddy Boogie Nights...! Joined: July 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,551 Reputation: 70 Power: 136	This 'whois?' may help in your cause... Domain Name: POPOVERGENERATOR.COM Registrar: BULKREGISTER, LLC. Whois Server: whois.bulkregister.com Referral URL: http://www.bulkregister.com Name Server: NS1.RACKSHACK.NET Name Server: NS2.RACKSHACK.NET Status: ACTIVE Updated Date: 13-apr-2003 Creation Date: 13-apr-2003 Expiration Date: 13-apr-2004 Love like you've never been hurt. Work like you don't need the money. Dance like no one is watching!

July 1st, 2003	Top \| #13
Friend of Bill What, me worry? Joined: April 2002 Posts: 1,572 Reputation: 20 Power: 139	What ashame that something like this has happened. I've learned throughout life that if it isn't nailed down or protected by 10 feet of legal documents it will get stolen. Perhaps, you can speak to a lawyer about this incident. Check with a lawyer referal service. You will find that many lawyers will give you an initial free consultation. Good luck, and nice site.

July 1st, 2003	Top \| #14
scriptasylum OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: Des Moines,IA Posts: 832 Reputation: 0 Power: 135	Originally posted by rushm001 Just saying that it is copyrighted is enough. You don't have to register a copyright with any authorities like with a trade mark. Thanks! When I got home today, I went through all my main pages (ones accessed through the menu) and added a copyright notice. I also beefed up the Terms of Use section on my FAQ page so it leaves little room for misinterpretation. Then I added the URL for both sites on my "warning" window to warn people not to buy freeware code. I got some pretty good info from this site about copyrights: http://www.whatiscopyright.org Thanks for the whois Teddy. It doesn't give his email addy so I can't rant at him though. I'll try writing the host for his site, maybe they have some policies against that sort of thing. Hopefully there won't be too many suckers that fall for his scheme. It would be a shame to see people waste money like that. Gigabyte GA-8KVNXP A64 3200 1MB Cache "CG" stepping SLK-948U & SilenX 92mm fan 1GB Centon PC3500 DDR (CAS 2.5) ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (410/360) w/ VGA Silencer Rev2 2 x 36GB WD SATA Raptor in RAID0 IDE 200GB Seagate Stealth Lite-On DVD Burner Lian-Li PC-82 case with 80mm SilenX fans all around 550w Fully Sleeved Antec True Power PS 3DMark2001 (20955) 3DMark2003 (6389)

July 1st, 2003	Top \| #15
scriptasylum OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: Des Moines,IA Posts: 832 Reputation: 0 Power: 135	Originally posted by SnookBooger What ashame that something like this has happened. I've learned throughout life that if it isn't nailed down or protected by 10 feet of legal documents it will get stolen. Perhaps, you can speak to a lawyer about this incident. Check with a lawyer referal service. You will find that many lawyers will give you an initial free consultation. Good luck, and nice site. To tell you the truth, I don't have much faith in our justice system. Everyday you hear about some crazy lawsuit that wins (like the lady with the hot McDonalds coffee she was stupid enough to put between her legs ). What happened to common sense and basic decency?? Thanks Snook. I'll check my yellow pages in a while. First I'll just try to "scare" him by email into pulling the code off his site. I doubt that will work though. Gigabyte GA-8KVNXP A64 3200 1MB Cache "CG" stepping SLK-948U & SilenX 92mm fan 1GB Centon PC3500 DDR (CAS 2.5) ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (410/360) w/ VGA Silencer Rev2 2 x 36GB WD SATA Raptor in RAID0 IDE 200GB Seagate Stealth Lite-On DVD Burner Lian-Li PC-82 case with 80mm SilenX fans all around 550w Fully Sleeved Antec True Power PS 3DMark2001 (20955) 3DMark2003 (6389)

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July 1st, 2003	Top \| #16
Friend of Bill What, me worry? Joined: April 2002 Posts: 1,572 Reputation: 20 Power: 139	Suggestion: Be very tactful and diplomatic in the way you communicate with him or he may try to turn the table on you.

July 1st, 2003	Top \| #17
Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	Hey... give this a try! armand@gogenerator.com The link at the bottom of the page is to the company that supposedly created it. He has a bunch of apps. This is what you get when you try to "Contact Us" Good luck dewd! Welcome to a world where the air I breathe is mine Nothing to overwhelm me and nothing to cloud my mind Be anyone, do anything I'd ever want to try Time doesn't exist here - I will never die

July 1st, 2003	Top \| #18
Erbmaster OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2003 Location: Middle Of Nowhere - UK Posts: 1,195 Reputation: 270 Power: 126	Just wanna add my 2 penn'orth; Plaguerism sucks in any way shape or form and I feel for ya scriptasylum. I was ripped off similarly with a shop sign fascia design when I was at college. At the time the only advice I could obtain (pre-google days lol) was to make a duplicate of the work before submission to a client, and post it to yourself. (Use an envelope that can't be opened without tearing it first) When the mail arrives, just keep that letter unopened somewhere safe. This will stand in a U.K. court of law as date-stamped evidence of your creation, and can be opened in court as proof (Can't speak for U.S. law though m8.) Obviously in the case of your scripts/code this wont be easy to replicate....sure you could print all your scripts and mail them to yourself, but this would be time consuming and ultimately will leave you out of pocket as you develop new scripts. Maybe someone here knows of a tamper-proof way to do this digitally. It may not help scriptasylum with the aforementioned script but would certainly help prove ownership of any future endeavours. Good Luck with giving that thief what he deserves The Cake Is A Lie? - Well There'd Better Be Cookies!

July 2nd, 2003	Top \| #19
X-Istence * Joined: December 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,496 Reputation: 2808 Power: 220	So i geuss i am not the only one getting my scripts stolen. My script was a free PHP script i developed for someone, and it had my copyright on it, but i gave the guy permission to show the source, but in no way was anyone allowed to use it like it was. So then i surf some sites, and i come across my script, copyright removed, but it still had my email addy as the support adress =). Stupid person, sent him a email, and he removed it. Anyways, the way i could prove it was mine was the email addy, but another way was that i always pack all my scripts up in a tar.gz and save it somewhere on my server where noone will touch it, and i forget about it unless i need to prove something, i also email it to myself and i send it to my uncle who then keeps it safe with the time stamp on it. Works good. About your working being stolen like that, i suggest sending a cease and desist letter, and if that doesnt work email rackshack, they could probably be able to help you. If it has some sort of copyright notice in the script, they are doing something illegal. An engineers technical notebook

July 2nd, 2003	Top \| #20
scriptasylum OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: Des Moines,IA Posts: 832 Reputation: 0 Power: 135	Originally posted by X-Istence So i geuss i am not the only one getting my scripts stolen. My script was a free PHP script i developed for someone, and it had my copyright on it, but i gave the guy permission to show the source, but in no way was anyone allowed to use it like it was. So then i surf some sites, and i come across my script, copyright removed, but it still had my email addy as the support adress =). Stupid person, sent him a email, and he removed it. Anyways, the way i could prove it was mine was the email addy, but another way was that i always pack all my scripts up in a tar.gz and save it somewhere on my server where noone will touch it, and i forget about it unless i need to prove something, i also email it to myself and i send it to my uncle who then keeps it safe with the time stamp on it. Works good. About your working being stolen like that, i suggest sending a cease and desist letter, and if that doesnt work email rackshack, they could probably be able to help you. If it has some sort of copyright notice in the script, they are doing something illegal. Unfortunately, my scripts are client-based javascript/DHTML, therefore making a tarball won't help much. My scripts are free! I don't require money, it's just something I do for fun. The whole idea for my site is so aspiring webmasters can learn stuff and get some free code... as long as they leave the credits intact. I suppose I could encode the javascript, but that defeats the site's purpose. Plus, it's quite easy to decode. I had my name/URL, release info, version number, etc in the js script file and the guy removed it. I still know it's mine because there are few people who have developed the windows I designed, plus I can tell my code by the way I write. I even keep old versions and I compared his and he was using an older version. He's just a jack@$$. Oh well. You mentioned to email rackshack, who is rackshack? The rackshack is some type of kayak reseller. Gigabyte GA-8KVNXP A64 3200 1MB Cache "CG" stepping SLK-948U & SilenX 92mm fan 1GB Centon PC3500 DDR (CAS 2.5) ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (410/360) w/ VGA Silencer Rev2 2 x 36GB WD SATA Raptor in RAID0 IDE 200GB Seagate Stealth Lite-On DVD Burner Lian-Li PC-82 case with 80mm SilenX fans all around 550w Fully Sleeved Antec True Power PS 3DMark2001 (20955) 3DMark2003 (6389)