In reply to "Experts say software is not user friendly"

**Un4gIvEn1** · January 22nd, 2003

This thread is regarding the news story on the front page talking about software not being "user friendly." I would have to disagree. I am so fed up with people that have this kind of mentality. The problem is that software is TOO user friendly. Am I right? Doesn't anyone agree? People want everything entirely too easy. Technology advances yet people get dumber. There are still people out there that can't even program a VCR and you expect them to know how to run Word, Excel or heaven forbid, Access. Don't get me wrong, I love XP, but it's "Tellitubby" interface and "ease of use" is rather annoying. In making everything easier for the idiots of the world they have made it more of a nucence for those of us who know what we are doing. Maybe I am old-fashioned. Have you seen the screenshots for Longhorn!? OMG! How could they possibly make Windows easier!?! Well, they will attemp to. While your at it why not make toilets that wipe your @ss for you, or cars that turn your turn signals on for you when you want to turn. COME ON! I have to spend 30 minutes after every install disabling all the "user friendly" add-ins of most programs. Well, I guess that's why I still have a job. I would like to know what everyone else thinks...

**Jewelzz** · January 22nd, 2003

Originally posted by Un4gIvEn1
In making everything easier for the idiots of the world they have made it more of a nucence for those of us who know what we are doing.

Now there's a statement that's gonna start a flame war

**Shamus MacNoob** · January 22nd, 2003

LOLOL I think that by default there should not be as many damn crappy apps that try and rule my puter ... but yes they should be in place if the idiots that need them ...... I find that overall they need to make things as easy as possible for anyone who is a potential client but not make it so ie: when you open your email some damn stupid messenger program keeps popping up ...... I mean if I want that program to open I am able to do that without them "helping" me LOL .......

**Un4gIvEn1** · January 22nd, 2003

Kermit: If you wish to disable that... just rename the messenger program.

**Shamus MacNoob** · January 22nd, 2003

thank you for the response to my RANT!! lol but yes what i did was rename the folder to windows messengeroff but I noticed while just putzin around that it is a very persitent little app LOL and I found the best way was using a little program I like very much called powerup XP from ashampoo ... what a great little program with all kinds of nice tweaks one being to disable that messenger 100% when you open outlook, and lots of others like boosting the icon cache as high as 8000 icons and all kinds of goodies ........

**Krux** · January 22nd, 2003

Originally posted by Un4gIvEn1
While your at it why not make toilets that wipe your @ss for you

They do I believe there called bedayes (spelling?)

**SPeedY_B** · January 22nd, 2003

If you have a problem with Windows XP being too easy (or even having apps takeover your box) just install FreeBSD.

**Top** · January 22nd, 2003

must agree with you Un4gIvEn1

i earn alot of tax-free dollars fixing other ppl's PC's because they think its all to complicated ...if they have kids in the 10-16 age range you can guaruntee a return call in a few months cuz if they see it they install it

my wife is really enjoying the new treadmill i bought her

**Un4gIvEn1** · January 22nd, 2003

To keep Windows Messenger from running you could also run "gpedit.msc" from the RUN command. (Windows XP Professional ONLY). Select "Computer Configuration", "Administrative Templates", "Windows Components", "Windows Messenger" and change "Do not allow Windows Messenger to be run" to "Enabled"

**Un4gIvEn1** · January 22nd, 2003

Burpster: You are right. Heck, you might even see it before the week is over! Believe me. I have seen PCs hours after they have gone home because someone installed something without thinking. Guess that's why they pay me the BIG bucks (HA.. yeah right).

**Top** · January 22nd, 2003

i do it as a hobby ...i dont do it for free anymore tho ..i go rite to their house fix it there if i can ...if i cant solve the problem i charge nothing

love those youngsters

**Tabula Rasa** · January 22nd, 2003

Calling a person an idiot just because he cant control a PC like you can is not only wrong but also dumb.

More then that, people who use a computer for work and are not working in the computer field (Doctors for example) have no need for the PC to be something so sophisticated that it will take programing skills to work , what they do need is a tool that will preform operations as fast and easy as possible , and we haven't reached that point yet.

and to be honest , if someone will invent a toilet that will wipe my rear, i wont mind.

**Un4gIvEn1** · January 22nd, 2003

"Calling a person an idiot just because he cant control a PC like you can is not only wrong but also dumb"

Calling me "dumb" because you ARE that idiot is not only wrong, but unintelligent!

"what they do need is a tool that will preform operations as fast and easy as possible"

OMG! If it isn't easy enough already then I don't know what to tell you. Sure, a car that drives itself would be nice... but at what point does it become too much? I don't mean to offend anyone directly but, If you can't speak Spanish then don't move to Mexico! Get the point? And if you aren't willing to learn then you are lazy. It's amazing that some people even know how to use a TV remote.

**Tabula Rasa** · January 22nd, 2003

heh.
not about to argue with you anymore...
have fun starting your browser with 3000 unnecessary commands.

**Un4gIvEn1** · January 22nd, 2003

3000 commands? how about Windows Key + E Easy enough? I don't think that could possibly be ANY easier.

**Tabula Rasa** · January 22nd, 2003

and how about a voice command?

**Krux** · January 23rd, 2003

I'm telling you they have toilets in japan that do that!!! They have some in good hotels that flush when u walk away from them to!! some kinda heat sensor or something I dunno. and if u think XP is WAY to easy move to linux u hardcore l33t haxor I know my way around windows and I get on a linux machine and I'm like ummm.... I get on the net how???? I change the desktop how?? gezz I can't even get aim going. Most ppl don't even know you can bind keys to open programs, I also have a friend who is a doctor who went to irvine ucdavis and mit, sit him at a computer and hes like huh?? whats this thing do. but have him take an IQ test and he would school your ass in IQ and yet u think hes an idiot???? I don't understand your logic it seems to be faulty.

**Un4gIvEn1** · January 23rd, 2003

FYI - I do run Linux. It is my ICS/Firewall.

**Un4gIvEn1** · January 23rd, 2003

You have to draw the line somewhere. You want ease of use? Then you have to give up functionality. I prefer functionality over ease of use. Guess that's just me.

**Tabula Rasa** · January 23rd, 2003

Okay, Instead of all that arguing, let me just tell you a story from my life.

I have a doctor, the guy is brilliant, he can see exactly whats wrong with you from a distance of 3 miles and tell you how to cure it in no more then a week (if it is actually curable).
the problem is, every time he needs to write someone a prescription he has to fight with the computer for 10 minutes while silently cursing the "damn machine".
you cant call the man an "Idiot" can you? and yet he needs about 10 minutes to do an operation that should take numerous seconds.
now you can come and say "well he should learn how to use it" , but some people cant learn to use it properly (no matter how smart, intelligent or educated they might be).

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #1
Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	In reply to "Experts say software is not user friendly" This thread is regarding the news story on the front page talking about software not being "user friendly." I would have to disagree. I am so fed up with people that have this kind of mentality. The problem is that software is TOO user friendly. Am I right? Doesn't anyone agree? People want everything entirely too easy. Technology advances yet people get dumber. There are still people out there that can't even program a VCR and you expect them to know how to run Word, Excel or heaven forbid, Access. Don't get me wrong, I love XP, but it's "Tellitubby" interface and "ease of use" is rather annoying. In making everything easier for the idiots of the world they have made it more of a nucence for those of us who know what we are doing. Maybe I am old-fashioned. Have you seen the screenshots for Longhorn!? OMG! How could they possibly make Windows easier!?! Well, they will attemp to. While your at it why not make toilets that wipe your @ss for you, or cars that turn your turn signals on for you when you want to turn. COME ON! I have to spend 30 minutes after every install disabling all the "user friendly" add-ins of most programs. Well, I guess that's why I still have a job. I would like to know what everyone else thinks...

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #2
Jewelzz Queen of Farts Joined: March 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 10,949 Blog Entries: 7 Reputation: 1843 Power: 252	Re: In reply to "Experts say software is not user friendly" Originally posted by Un4gIvEn1 In making everything easier for the idiots of the world they have made it more of a nucence for those of us who know what we are doing. Now there's a statement that's gonna start a flame war

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #3
Shamus MacNoob OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: January 2002 Location: Brossard,Quebec Posts: 4,199 Blog Entries: 1 Reputation: 1481 Power: 182	LOLOL I think that by default there should not be as many damn crappy apps that try and rule my puter ... but yes they should be in place if the idiots that need them ...... I find that overall they need to make things as easy as possible for anyone who is a potential client but not make it so ie: when you open your email some damn stupid messenger program keeps popping up ...... I mean if I want that program to open I am able to do that without them "helping" me LOL ....... ASUS PN5-E SLI,Intel E8400,2 x 8800GTX 768mb SLI,ASUS VW266H 26 inch LCD, 8 GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer, Silverstone Strider 850watt PSU.Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit.

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #5
Shamus MacNoob OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: January 2002 Location: Brossard,Quebec Posts: 4,199 Blog Entries: 1 Reputation: 1481 Power: 182	thank you for the response to my RANT!! lol but yes what i did was rename the folder to windows messengeroff but I noticed while just putzin around that it is a very persitent little app LOL and I found the best way was using a little program I like very much called powerup XP from ashampoo ... what a great little program with all kinds of nice tweaks one being to disable that messenger 100% when you open outlook, and lots of others like boosting the icon cache as high as 8000 icons and all kinds of goodies ........ ASUS PN5-E SLI,Intel E8400,2 x 8800GTX 768mb SLI,ASUS VW266H 26 inch LCD, 8 GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer, Silverstone Strider 850watt PSU.Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit.

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #6
Krux Nissan Powered Joined: April 2002 Posts: 1,649 Reputation: 30 Power: 140	Re: In reply to "Experts say software is not user friendly" Originally posted by Un4gIvEn1 While your at it why not make toilets that wipe your @ss for you They do I believe there called bedayes (spelling?)

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January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #4
Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	Kermit: If you wish to disable that... just rename the messenger program.

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #7
SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 310	If you have a problem with Windows XP being too easy (or even having apps takeover your box) just install FreeBSD. 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #8
Burpster Unregistered Posts: n/a	must agree with you Un4gIvEn1 i earn alot of tax-free dollars fixing other ppl's PC's because they think its all to complicated ...if they have kids in the 10-16 age range you can guaruntee a return call in a few months cuz if they see it they install it my wife is really enjoying the new treadmill i bought her

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #9
Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	To keep Windows Messenger from running you could also run "gpedit.msc" from the RUN command. (Windows XP Professional ONLY). Select "Computer Configuration", "Administrative Templates", "Windows Components", "Windows Messenger" and change "Do not allow Windows Messenger to be run" to "Enabled"

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #10
Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	Burpster: You are right. Heck, you might even see it before the week is over! Believe me. I have seen PCs hours after they have gone home because someone installed something without thinking. Guess that's why they pay me the BIG bucks (HA.. yeah right).

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #11
Burpster Unregistered Posts: n/a	i do it as a hobby ...i dont do it for free anymore tho ..i go rite to their house fix it there if i can ...if i cant solve the problem i charge nothing love those youngsters

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #12
Tabula Rasa Stranger Than Kindness Joined: July 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 3,233 Reputation: 450 Power: 157	Calling a person an idiot just because he cant control a PC like you can is not only wrong but also dumb. More then that, people who use a computer for work and are not working in the computer field (Doctors for example) have no need for the PC to be something so sophisticated that it will take programing skills to work , what they do need is a tool that will preform operations as fast and easy as possible , and we haven't reached that point yet. and to be honest , if someone will invent a toilet that will wipe my rear, i wont mind.

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #13
Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	"Calling a person an idiot just because he cant control a PC like you can is not only wrong but also dumb" Calling me "dumb" because you ARE that idiot is not only wrong, but unintelligent! "what they do need is a tool that will preform operations as fast and easy as possible" OMG! If it isn't easy enough already then I don't know what to tell you. Sure, a car that drives itself would be nice... but at what point does it become too much? I don't mean to offend anyone directly but, If you can't speak Spanish then don't move to Mexico! Get the point? And if you aren't willing to learn then you are lazy. It's amazing that some people even know how to use a TV remote.

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #14
Tabula Rasa Stranger Than Kindness Joined: July 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 3,233 Reputation: 450 Power: 157	heh. not about to argue with you anymore... have fun starting your browser with 3000 unnecessary commands.

January 22nd, 2003	Top \| #15
Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	3000 commands? how about Windows Key + E Easy enough? I don't think that could possibly be ANY easier.

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Krux Nissan Powered Joined: April 2002 Posts: 1,649 Reputation: 30 Power: 140	I'm telling you they have toilets in japan that do that!!! They have some in good hotels that flush when u walk away from them to!! some kinda heat sensor or something I dunno. and if u think XP is WAY to easy move to linux u hardcore l33t haxor I know my way around windows and I get on a linux machine and I'm like ummm.... I get on the net how???? I change the desktop how?? gezz I can't even get aim going. Most ppl don't even know you can bind keys to open programs, I also have a friend who is a doctor who went to irvine ucdavis and mit, sit him at a computer and hes like huh?? whats this thing do. but have him take an IQ test and he would school your ass in IQ and yet u think hes an idiot???? I don't understand your logic it seems to be faulty.

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Un4gIvEn1 OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1,084 Reputation: 130 Power: 113	You have to draw the line somewhere. You want ease of use? Then you have to give up functionality. I prefer functionality over ease of use. Guess that's just me.

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Tabula Rasa Stranger Than Kindness Joined: July 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 3,233 Reputation: 450 Power: 157	Okay, Instead of all that arguing, let me just tell you a story from my life. I have a doctor, the guy is brilliant, he can see exactly whats wrong with you from a distance of 3 miles and tell you how to cure it in no more then a week (if it is actually curable). the problem is, every time he needs to write someone a prescription he has to fight with the computer for 10 minutes while silently cursing the "damn machine". you cant call the man an "Idiot" can you? and yet he needs about 10 minutes to do an operation that should take numerous seconds. now you can come and say "well he should learn how to use it" , but some people cant learn to use it properly (no matter how smart, intelligent or educated they might be).