Frame rates poor - GeForce 4600 WTF?

**Mubbers** · February 6th, 2003

OK, I reckon my system is under performing and I'm not sure why...

GeForce 4600 Ti 128Mb card
D845HV PIV 1.8 GHz 100 MHZ FSB
40 GB HDD
900 (ish) Mb pc133 ram

3D Mark 7389
FPS with everytthing on in UT2003 Average on Antalus 30-45

but the thing is my m8 with a 1.5 GHZ machine and a 64MB Ge force card gets better results (3D Mark 7500!) and better frame rates.

His FSB is 133MHz and he reckons this is an issue.

Mubbers

P.S.

Sazar - I can't afford the Radeon

February 6th, 2003

I had a similar score with my ti4600 a couple of weeks ago. what apparenty happened was when I updated my driver windows did not like the fact that they were unsigned ( I'm using the manufaturers drivers) and did not install the drivers completley in order to fix it I went to device manger double clicked my video card- update driver, i then chose 'install from a specific location' and then the 'don't search. I will choose the driver to install' and chose the correct driver.
one of the signs that your driver is not correctly install is that open GL game dont run.

**Krux** · February 6th, 2003

Originally posted by Mubbers
OK, I reckon my system is under performing and I'm not sure why...

GeForce 4600 Ti 128Mb card
D845HV PIV 1.8 GHz 100 MHZ FSB
40 GB HDD
900 (ish) Mb pc133 ram

3D Mark 7389
FPS with everytthing on in UT2003 Average on Antalus 30-45

but the thing is my m8 with a 1.5 GHZ machine and a 64MB Ge force card gets better results (3D Mark 7500!) and better frame rates.

His FSB is 133MHz and he reckons this is an issue.

Mubbers

P.S.

Sazar - I can't afford the Radeon

ok what type of cpu is your friend running? if its at 1.5ghz and its an AMD it would be an 1800+ which would explain why his gets a higher schore then yours because of his FSB and the fact that the cpu is doing alot more work then your P4.

February 6th, 2003

If his cpu is an 1800+ it should have around the same performance as your 1.8 p4, if yours is a northwood that is. Is it? And does he have ddr? This would make all the difference compared to your pc133.

February 6th, 2003

woooow ...that does seem like a poor score ....i did just under 10,000 with my Ti 4200

scriptasylum · February 7th, 2003

Originally posted by Mubbers
...P.S.

Sazar - I can't afford the Radeon

Now, I wonder why he said that?

**Mubbers** · February 7th, 2003

With the kind of setup I'd need to play online I've manage to slim the startup to 27 processes and get a 3D Mark of 7575

Mubbers

February 7th, 2003

Something is defiantly not right. I have an XP1700+ and a GF3 TI200 and get a little over 8000 in 3dMark. My first guess would be a driver issue. I would go to Nvidia's website and grab the latest official driver from there and see how that goes.

February 17th, 2003

I run a VisionTek GeForce4 Ti4200 128ddr that I achieve 10,963 3DMark 2001 scores with.

Try switching around nVidia drivers. It may take awhile, but you'll thank me.

For example, 29.80, 30.82 & the beta 42.68 Detonator drivers are the only drivers I get decent results with. My brother can't run UT2003 with those drivers installed - and we wouldn't dare to try to figure out why we have such a difference on such similar systems (he's also running similar card, CPU & memory).

Each new driver release is a surprise: download as many driver releases as you can find (including the ones from your manufacturers website), give yourself about two hours, and uninstall, install & test, uninstall, install & test,, uninstall, install & test until you know for certain which drivers give you the best results. I promise you'll find a release, maybe an older one, that just knocks your socks off in FPS and benchmarking.

February 17th, 2003

Make sure AA and AF are shut off, maybe reinstall the driver.

Your FSB and PC133 RAM may be holding you back also.

Gus K · February 19th, 2003

Your FSB and PC133 RAM may be holding you back also.

That's definately it, and that is a decent score with your config. In your case the bottle neck is not the vid card, nor the cpu. Both could easily best a 10,000 3DMark with a good mobo with DDR memory.

February 6th, 2003	Top \| #1
Mubbers Shoot! Joined: December 2001 Posts: 1,081 Reputation: 60 Power: 137	Frame rates poor - GeForce 4600 WTF? OK, I reckon my system is under performing and I'm not sure why... GeForce 4600 Ti 128Mb card D845HV PIV 1.8 GHz 100 MHZ FSB 40 GB HDD 900 (ish) Mb pc133 ram 3D Mark 7389 FPS with everytthing on in UT2003 Average on Antalus 30-45 but the thing is my m8 with a 1.5 GHZ machine and a 64MB Ge force card gets better results (3D Mark 7500!) and better frame rates. His FSB is 133MHz and he reckons this is an issue. Mubbers P.S. Sazar - I can't afford the Radeon

February 6th, 2003	Top \| #3
Krux Nissan Powered Joined: April 2002 Posts: 1,649 Reputation: 30 Power: 140	Re: Frame rates poor - GeForce 4600 WTF? Originally posted by Mubbers OK, I reckon my system is under performing and I'm not sure why... GeForce 4600 Ti 128Mb card D845HV PIV 1.8 GHz 100 MHZ FSB 40 GB HDD 900 (ish) Mb pc133 ram 3D Mark 7389 FPS with everytthing on in UT2003 Average on Antalus 30-45 but the thing is my m8 with a 1.5 GHZ machine and a 64MB Ge force card gets better results (3D Mark 7500!) and better frame rates. His FSB is 133MHz and he reckons this is an issue. Mubbers P.S. Sazar - I can't afford the Radeon ok what type of cpu is your friend running? if its at 1.5ghz and its an AMD it would be an 1800+ which would explain why his gets a higher schore then yours because of his FSB and the fact that the cpu is doing alot more work then your P4.

February 7th, 2003	Top \| #6
scriptasylum OSNN Senior Addict Joined: December 2001 Location: Des Moines,IA Posts: 832 Reputation: 0 Power: 135	Re: Frame rates poor - GeForce 4600 WTF? Originally posted by Mubbers ...P.S. Sazar - I can't afford the Radeon Now, I wonder why he said that? Gigabyte GA-8KVNXP A64 3200 1MB Cache "CG" stepping SLK-948U & SilenX 92mm fan 1GB Centon PC3500 DDR (CAS 2.5) ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB (410/360) w/ VGA Silencer Rev2 2 x 36GB WD SATA Raptor in RAID0 IDE 200GB Seagate Stealth Lite-On DVD Burner Lian-Li PC-82 case with 80mm SilenX fans all around 550w Fully Sleeved Antec True Power PS 3DMark2001 (20955) 3DMark2003 (6389)

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February 6th, 2003	Top \| #2
rettahc Unregistered Posts: n/a	I had a similar score with my ti4600 a couple of weeks ago. what apparenty happened was when I updated my driver windows did not like the fact that they were unsigned ( I'm using the manufaturers drivers) and did not install the drivers completley in order to fix it I went to device manger double clicked my video card- update driver, i then chose 'install from a specific location' and then the 'don't search. I will choose the driver to install' and chose the correct driver. one of the signs that your driver is not correctly install is that open GL game dont run.

February 6th, 2003	Top \| #4
jumpy Unregistered Posts: n/a	If his cpu is an 1800+ it should have around the same performance as your 1.8 p4, if yours is a northwood that is. Is it? And does he have ddr? This would make all the difference compared to your pc133.

February 6th, 2003	Top \| #5
Burpster Unregistered Posts: n/a	woooow ...that does seem like a poor score ....i did just under 10,000 with my Ti 4200

February 7th, 2003	Top \| #7
Mubbers Shoot! Joined: December 2001 Posts: 1,081 Reputation: 60 Power: 137	With the kind of setup I'd need to play online I've manage to slim the startup to 27 processes and get a 3D Mark of 7575 Mubbers

February 7th, 2003	Top \| #8
dadx2mj Unregistered Posts: n/a	Something is defiantly not right. I have an XP1700+ and a GF3 TI200 and get a little over 8000 in 3dMark. My first guess would be a driver issue. I would go to Nvidia's website and grab the latest official driver from there and see how that goes.

February 17th, 2003	Top \| #9
deadzombie Unregistered Posts: n/a	I run a VisionTek GeForce4 Ti4200 128ddr that I achieve 10,963 3DMark 2001 scores with. Try switching around nVidia drivers. It may take awhile, but you'll thank me. For example, 29.80, 30.82 & the beta 42.68 Detonator drivers are the only drivers I get decent results with. My brother can't run UT2003 with those drivers installed - and we wouldn't dare to try to figure out why we have such a difference on such similar systems (he's also running similar card, CPU & memory). Each new driver release is a surprise: download as many driver releases as you can find (including the ones from your manufacturers website), give yourself about two hours, and uninstall, install & test, uninstall, install & test,, uninstall, install & test until you know for certain which drivers give you the best results. I promise you'll find a release, maybe an older one, that just knocks your socks off in FPS and benchmarking.

February 17th, 2003	Top \| #10
Speed4Ever Unregistered Posts: n/a	Make sure AA and AF are shut off, maybe reinstall the driver. Your FSB and PC133 RAM may be holding you back also.

February 19th, 2003	Top \| #11
Gus K NTFS abuser Joined: November 2002 Location: USA Posts: 380 Reputation: 30 Power: 120	Your FSB and PC133 RAM may be holding you back also. That's definately it, and that is a decent score with your config. In your case the bottle neck is not the vid card, nor the cpu. Both could easily best a 10,000 3DMark with a good mobo with DDR memory.