an MSI or ASUS mobo for intel chip plz help!

Dan04 · February 26th, 2004

Hi Everyone,

Im in a bit of trouble here i can get either a MSI 875P NEO-FISR (MS-6758)
or a ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe which would be the better mobo and the ram i am planning to use on them are 2x Kingmax "MPXC22D-38KT3R"

ive noticed that in the reccommended ram for the asus 1 my ram is listed but for the msi its not would it still work?

any info recieved is appreciated

**chastity** · February 26th, 2004

Well I've used an ASUS board great board other then mine is outdated and the ram is expensive. MSI are good to as I know a friend who has one. As for the ram yes it should work with the MSI board but if your tha worried about it get the ASUS which lists it as working

ToronadoXP · February 27th, 2004

i have the p4c800-e Deluxe and im quite impressed. Great on Overclocks and rock solid stable. Do you plan on overclocking?

**chastity** · February 27th, 2004

If your not into overclocking spend a little more and get an Intel motherboard as you will get as ToronadoXP said rock solid stable system

**canadian_divx** · February 27th, 2004

if it cant be an intel board than asus. they are the best i have seen for intel chipsets except fot intel. if i may ask tho, what chipset are you looking at?

**chastity** · February 27th, 2004

Well based on the info they supplied the MSI board is the I875 chipset

Dan04 · February 29th, 2004

thanks for all your replies, i think i will get the asus p4c800-e deluxe mobo

but i still cant make up my mind wether to get an intel 3ghz pc or an AMD Athlon 64 3200 based PC

Which one would be good?

and if its the AMD Athlon 64 through a wholesaler i can get a Asus K8V-Deluxe, is there any known problems with the new amd 64 related hardware or is it safe to use?

**Kush** · February 29th, 2004

good job for picking the asus, also msi is a great company from my experiance with other peoples machines :P. never buy intel motherboards they are the worst!

Dan04 · February 29th, 2004

Yeh good ol Asus hehe only thing they need to improve are there drivers for the onboard 3com and responding to emails lol, other wise they make good motherboards, just a pity they suk in other areas lol but i spose u cant have everything

but yeh what about my question about AMD 64's

**chastity** · March 2nd, 2004

Well that depends on what you plan on doing as there is almost no 64 software out there at the present time. if your going to use cad and type of stuff then sure get an AMD 64 chip but otherwise wait. Again its up to you but I would sugest base your choice off what you are going to with the system. Or in simiple terms don't buy if have no need for it

**Sazar** · March 2nd, 2004

Originally Posted by themafia_69

good job for picking the asus, also msi is a great company from my experiance with other peoples machines :P. never buy intel motherboards they are the worst!

intel boards have the best stability and some of the best stock performance... I dunno why they would be considered the worst?

**Sazar** · March 2nd, 2004

Originally Posted by Dan04

thanks for all your replies, i think i will get the asus p4c800-e deluxe mobo but i still cant make up my mind wether to get an intel 3ghz pc or an AMD Athlon 64 3200 based PC

Which one would be good?

and if its the AMD Athlon 64 through a wholesaler i can get a Asus K8V-Deluxe, is there any known problems with the new amd 64 related hardware or is it safe to use?

a64's are excellent cpu's.. I sold my 3.0c/msi 865pe (no difference between in and the 875 coz both have PAT enabled.. just different names) and got this setup...

the a64's run 32bit apps as fast or faster than anything intel has to offer currently...

Dan04 · March 2nd, 2004

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all your replies i think i will just stick with getting another Intel as well AMD's are known to be hot and even though they are cheaper compared to Intels by the time you got the cooling right youve spent more money than what you would on a Intel system, well thats my thoughts with AMD since i have had a few before that and to allow the 64bit CPU and Mobo to "mature" for whatever else they may have to fix in the future.

once again thank you all very much for your input

**Sazar** · March 2nd, 2004

Originally Posted by Dan04

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all your replies i think i will just stick with getting another Intel as well AMD's are known to be hot and even though they are cheaper compared to Intels by the time you got the cooling right youve spent more money than what you would on a Intel system, well thats my thoughts with AMD since i have had a few before that and to allow the 64bit CPU and Mobo to "mature" for whatever else they may have to fix in the future.

once again thank you all very much for your input

the whole thing bout amd running hotter than intel is a myth now

might have been true back in the day when you were comparing the throughbred A v/s intel's solution...

not today... if anything intel runs hotter than amd

plus you get better performance/price ratio with amd @ the moment...

Dan04 · March 3rd, 2004

yeh intels do run hot if u get that crappy new supposedly better presscott but ill think ill wait for the athlon 64 hardware to mature a bit to fix up any bugs they may have as my luck with anything is as much research i do on something i end up having troubles lol

cryogenic · March 23rd, 2004

Actually, Dan... if you check out the thermal output (in Watts) of the 3.0C vs the A64 3000+, I do believe the A64 has a lower thermal output. Admittedly, it might be prudent to wait for the Newcastle core A64's becaue then the A64's will have dual channel memory controllers as opposed to the current single-channel configuration. I do also agree that the Price/Performance ratio leans heavily in favor of the Athlon64's. HardOCP has numerous reviews of the various A64's and they've been nothing but impressed (especially so about the 3000+). Yes, I do love AMD, no I'm not an AMD fanboy... If it was my money, I'd go with the Abit KV8-MAX3 + Athlon64 3000+. Check out HardOCP's review of the KV8-MAX3.. all I can say is WOW... 8 USB 2.0, 6 SATA, OTES, gigabit LAN, firewire... good stuff... http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTM5 .
for the Asus equivalent (Asus K8V-Deluxe).. One other difference I noticed... The Abit uses the Silicon Image SATA controller, whereas the Asus uses the Promise controller. Both are great boards and the benchmarks are really too close to call.

Dan04 · March 23rd, 2004

thanks for all the info, i only just got to day an athlon 64 mobo i got a msi k8t neo fis2r as one of my mates got one with a 3400+ chip and it rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Sazar** · March 23rd, 2004

weee... I'll start an athlon64 cpu club soon

congrats... enjoy your processor... if your bios is version 1.1... flash to 1.2.... cool and quiet support is vastly improved...

-edit-

and here is the thread

http://www.osnn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2510

silis · March 24th, 2004

Now all we need is an um... Hey! check out this cool website!http://shellcity.net/

Dan04 · March 24th, 2004

woohooo our own lil area hehe, oh yes with the msi mobo it already has 1.2 but when newer bios's come out which is the best way to update it as its something i obviously dont wanna stuff up and like all mobo sites their notes are for all mobos which is not always the best.

February 26th, 2004	Top \| #1
Dan04 OSNN Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 158 Reputation: 10 Power: 103	an MSI or ASUS mobo for intel chip plz help! Hi Everyone, Im in a bit of trouble here i can get either a MSI 875P NEO-FISR (MS-6758) or a ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe which would be the better mobo and the ram i am planning to use on them are 2x Kingmax "MPXC22D-38KT3R" ive noticed that in the reccommended ram for the asus 1 my ram is listed but for the msi its not would it still work? any info recieved is appreciated

February 27th, 2004	Top \| #3
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February 29th, 2004	Top \| #7
Dan04 OSNN Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 158 Reputation: 10 Power: 103	Still need help plz! thanks for all your replies, i think i will get the asus p4c800-e deluxe mobo but i still cant make up my mind wether to get an intel 3ghz pc or an AMD Athlon 64 3200 based PC Which one would be good? and if its the AMD Athlon 64 through a wholesaler i can get a Asus K8V-Deluxe, is there any known problems with the new amd 64 related hardware or is it safe to use?

March 2nd, 2004	Top \| #11
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Originally Posted by themafia_69 good job for picking the asus, also msi is a great company from my experiance with other peoples machines :P. never buy intel motherboards they are the worst! intel boards have the best stability and some of the best stock performance... I dunno why they would be considered the worst? Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

March 2nd, 2004	Top \| #12
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Originally Posted by Dan04 thanks for all your replies, i think i will get the asus p4c800-e deluxe mobo but i still cant make up my mind wether to get an intel 3ghz pc or an AMD Athlon 64 3200 based PC Which one would be good? and if its the AMD Athlon 64 through a wholesaler i can get a Asus K8V-Deluxe, is there any known problems with the new amd 64 related hardware or is it safe to use? a64's are excellent cpu's.. I sold my 3.0c/msi 865pe (no difference between in and the 875 coz both have PAT enabled.. just different names) and got this setup... the a64's run 32bit apps as fast or faster than anything intel has to offer currently... Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

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February 26th, 2004	Top \| #2
chastity OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: July 2002 Location: Arizona near the Grand Canyon Posts: 2,107 Reputation: 613 Power: 147	Well I've used an ASUS board great board other then mine is outdated and the ram is expensive. MSI are good to as I know a friend who has one. As for the ram yes it should work with the MSI board but if your tha worried about it get the ASUS which lists it as working

February 27th, 2004	Top \| #4
chastity OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: July 2002 Location: Arizona near the Grand Canyon Posts: 2,107 Reputation: 613 Power: 147	If your not into overclocking spend a little more and get an Intel motherboard as you will get as ToronadoXP said rock solid stable system

February 27th, 2004	Top \| #5
canadian_divx Canadian_divx Joined: June 2002 Location: waterloo, Ontario, Canada, Planet Earth Posts: 1,551 Reputation: 150 Power: 137	if it cant be an intel board than asus. they are the best i have seen for intel chipsets except fot intel. if i may ask tho, what chipset are you looking at?

February 27th, 2004	Top \| #6
chastity OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: July 2002 Location: Arizona near the Grand Canyon Posts: 2,107 Reputation: 613 Power: 147	Well based on the info they supplied the MSI board is the I875 chipset

February 29th, 2004	Top \| #8
Kush High On Life! Joined: January 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 4,590 Reputation: 1300 Power: 185	good job for picking the asus, also msi is a great company from my experiance with other peoples machines :P. never buy intel motherboards they are the worst!

February 29th, 2004	Top \| #9
Dan04 OSNN Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 158 Reputation: 10 Power: 103	Yeh good ol Asus hehe only thing they need to improve are there drivers for the onboard 3com and responding to emails lol, other wise they make good motherboards, just a pity they suk in other areas lol but i spose u cant have everything but yeh what about my question about AMD 64's

March 2nd, 2004	Top \| #10
chastity OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: July 2002 Location: Arizona near the Grand Canyon Posts: 2,107 Reputation: 613 Power: 147	Well that depends on what you plan on doing as there is almost no 64 software out there at the present time. if your going to use cad and type of stuff then sure get an AMD 64 chip but otherwise wait. Again its up to you but I would sugest base your choice off what you are going to with the system. Or in simiple terms don't buy if have no need for it

March 2nd, 2004	Top \| #13
Dan04 OSNN Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 158 Reputation: 10 Power: 103	Thanks for all your replies Hi Everyone, Thanks for all your replies i think i will just stick with getting another Intel as well AMD's are known to be hot and even though they are cheaper compared to Intels by the time you got the cooling right youve spent more money than what you would on a Intel system, well thats my thoughts with AMD since i have had a few before that and to allow the 64bit CPU and Mobo to "mature" for whatever else they may have to fix in the future. once again thank you all very much for your input

March 2nd, 2004	Top \| #14
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Originally Posted by Dan04 Hi Everyone, Thanks for all your replies i think i will just stick with getting another Intel as well AMD's are known to be hot and even though they are cheaper compared to Intels by the time you got the cooling right youve spent more money than what you would on a Intel system, well thats my thoughts with AMD since i have had a few before that and to allow the 64bit CPU and Mobo to "mature" for whatever else they may have to fix in the future. once again thank you all very much for your input the whole thing bout amd running hotter than intel is a myth now might have been true back in the day when you were comparing the throughbred A v/s intel's solution... not today... if anything intel runs hotter than amd plus you get better performance/price ratio with amd @ the moment... Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

March 3rd, 2004	Top \| #15
Dan04 OSNN Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 158 Reputation: 10 Power: 103	yeh intels do run hot if u get that crappy new supposedly better presscott but ill think ill wait for the athlon 64 hardware to mature a bit to fix up any bugs they may have as my luck with anything is as much research i do on something i end up having troubles lol

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cryogenic OSNN Addict Joined: October 2003 Location: TN, blah! Posts: 241 Reputation: 40 Power: 107	Actually, Dan... if you check out the thermal output (in Watts) of the 3.0C vs the A64 3000+, I do believe the A64 has a lower thermal output. Admittedly, it might be prudent to wait for the Newcastle core A64's becaue then the A64's will have dual channel memory controllers as opposed to the current single-channel configuration. I do also agree that the Price/Performance ratio leans heavily in favor of the Athlon64's. HardOCP has numerous reviews of the various A64's and they've been nothing but impressed (especially so about the 3000+). Yes, I do love AMD, no I'm not an AMD fanboy... If it was my money, I'd go with the Abit KV8-MAX3 + Athlon64 3000+. Check out HardOCP's review of the KV8-MAX3.. all I can say is WOW... 8 USB 2.0, 6 SATA, OTES, gigabit LAN, firewire... good stuff... http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTM5 . for the Asus equivalent (Asus K8V-Deluxe).. One other difference I noticed... The Abit uses the Silicon Image SATA controller, whereas the Asus uses the Promise controller. Both are great boards and the benchmarks are really too close to call.

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Dan04 OSNN Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 158 Reputation: 10 Power: 103	thanks for all the info, i only just got to day an athlon 64 mobo i got a msi k8t neo fis2r as one of my mates got one with a 3400+ chip and it rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!

March 23rd, 2004	Top \| #18
Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	weee... I'll start an athlon64 cpu club soon congrats... enjoy your processor... if your bios is version 1.1... flash to 1.2.... cool and quiet support is vastly improved... -edit- and here is the thread http://www.osnn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2510 Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

March 24th, 2004	Top \| #20
Dan04 OSNN Addict Joined: February 2004 Posts: 158 Reputation: 10 Power: 103	woohooo our own lil area hehe, oh yes with the msi mobo it already has 1.2 but when newer bios's come out which is the best way to update it as its something i obviously dont wanna stuff up and like all mobo sites their notes are for all mobos which is not always the best.