upgrade time again, too many choices, help.

July 28th, 2002

Well I am getting paid to do an upgrade job for one of my buddys, price isn't a problem but I can only choose from the list he provided. Can you help me choose I don't realy now what will work best with what, I don't use any of the models listed below.

I also have a stupid question of my own don't laugh: Do I need to get a ddr board to take of advantage of a video card with ddr memory or will a board with sdram be alright. Sorry I never worked with ddr befor, I am old school.

His interest are: playing games that take alot of resources, cd burning, and watching his computer movies on a big screen.

He's choices are:

video card Choices:
ATI All-In-In Wonder Radeon 7500 RTL
MSI G4 Ti4200-TD 128MB DDR TV/DV Out; RTL
ATI Radeon 8500LE 128MB DDR Oem
Gainward GeForce4 MX-420 64MB DDR

CD Burner Choices:
CDRW,PACIFIC DIG. 48X12X48X IDE INT RTL
CD-RW 40X12X48X Lite-On RTL
CD-RW 40X12X48X TEAC IDE 540E/Black, OEM
CD-RW 40X12X48X TEAC RTL

Motherboard choices:
MSI 6390-L KM266 S-A DDR U133 ATX
MSI 645 ULTRA SIS645 S478 DDR ATX
MSI 6368LAN S370 VIAPLE133 5.1 MATX
MSI 6378 KLE133 SOC-A LAN/V/A MATX
DFI NB72-SC i845 S-478 SDRAM ATX

cpu choices:
Celeron 1ghz to 1.2 ghz
Athlon 1ghz to 1.2 ghz
intel p4 1ghz to 1.2 ghz

Ram choicces:
256MB PC2700 DDR 333mhz
512MB PC2100 DDR 133/266mhz
512MB PC133 SDRAM

Case choices:
Chieftec dragon AX-01SLD server ATX
Black directron SF-201T aluminum (www.directron.com)
Lian-Li PC-52 aluminum

His current rig:
generic board super socket 7
500mhz cpu
ram: 768mb sdram pc133 modules
Sound blaster live platnium with live drive
two 40gb maxtor hard drives
16x iomagic dvd
Enermax PEG465P-VE 431W power supply
usb addon card with 2 usb and 2 firewire ports.
Intel Network Card 10/100

July 28th, 2002

I would use the the best items you can buy.
That would be GeForce 4
Cd-writer Lite-On

The other components depend upon the motherboard you are using.

However, I would just buy a new system, because his is outdated.

**Iceman** · July 28th, 2002

Moved to Hardware: Iceman

July 28th, 2002

Realy frmorrison, what would you recommend for the board? Remember I can only choose from the list provided. I am looking for something fast but stable that works with the all the hardware. I am leaning toward a ddr memory based board.

**Iceman** · July 28th, 2002

Out of those choices above I would go with the following:

MSI G4 Ti4200-TD 128MB DDR TV/DV Out; RTL
CD-RW 40X12X48X Lite-On RTL
MSI 6390-L KM266 S-A DDR U133 ATX
Athlon 1ghz to 1.2 ghz
512MB PC2100 DDR 133/266mhz

case is up to him, make him choose.

But if price doesn't matter, I would get none of the above mentioned components.

July 28th, 2002

Originally posted by Iceman
Out of those choices above I would go with the following:

MSI G4 Ti4200-TD 128MB DDR TV/DV Out; RTL
CD-RW 40X12X48X Lite-On RTL
MSI 6390-L KM266 S-A DDR U133 ATX
Athlon 1ghz to 1.2 ghz
512MB PC2100 DDR 133/266mhz

case is up to him, make him choose.

But if price doesn't matter, I would get none of the above mentioned components.

Thanks Iceman, any reason why you would go with the items above over the others listed? The reason I said price doesn't matter is I was already paid in adavance of $3000, so I don't think price would be a problem, But my buddy has certain fav's amd and msi components.

**Iceman** · July 28th, 2002

If you got paid 3,000 bucks why are you buying outdated components for? everything mentioned above except the CDRW and the cases are outdated.

3,000 bucks would buy alot better machine then what you got listed.

for example:

MSI Geforce4 TI4600 128MB DDR 4x/2x, Mem Clock:660MHz, VIVO, DVI-Out - RETAIL $319

Retail AMD Athlon XP 2200+ - 266MHz $255

DDR 512MB 333MHz - PC2700 - CL2.5 $152

MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU - AMD, KT333, 4x, ATA133 Raid, USB 2.0, 5P, 3DDR, 6channel Sound $124

PLEXTOR PLEXWRITER 40x12x40 PX-W4012TA CDR-W EIDE -4MB - Retail $137

Total is 1,000 bucks there abouts. And that ain't even the top of the line. What are you making 2,000 bucks on the deal ? Don't sound like you would be my buddy for very long.

July 28th, 2002

Originally posted by Iceman
If you got paid 3,000 bucks why are you buying outdated components for? everything mentioned above except the CDRW and the cases are outdated.

3,000 bucks would buy alot better machine then what you got listed.

for example:

MSI Geforce4 TI4600 128MB DDR 4x/2x, Mem Clock:660MHz, VIVO, DVI-Out - RETAIL $319

Retail AMD Athlon XP 2200+ - 266MHz $255

DDR 512MB 333MHz - PC2700 - CL2.5 $152

MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU - AMD, KT333, 4x, ATA133 Raid, USB 2.0, 5P, 3DDR, 6channel Sound $124

PLEXTOR PLEXWRITER 40x12x40 PX-W4012TA CDR-W EIDE -4MB - Retail $137

Total is 1,000 bucks there abouts. And that ain't even the top of the line. What are you making 2,000 bucks on the deal ? Don't sound like you would be my buddy for very long.

I asked my buddy why he wanted out dated stuff too, but he's very picky. Who am I too argue, he said I get to keep what moneys left over!!!

July 28th, 2002

Hey Iceman you are my buddy, hehe. It's funny too I can be anyone I want when Im online and you wont even know its me.

I wanted to build my friend a top of line machine but he's some times a pain in the butt and wants certain things, even if thier outdated take for instance he bought me a old coca cola machine with the glass bottles for one of my birthdays, what hell Im not into antiques but he knows I like the color red so he bought it. He's sometimes a strange fellow, but he's like family.

**Bootsy** · July 28th, 2002

wow, perfsonally I couldn't take that much money for building a system..SPECIALLY if its for a friend. Does he know the prices out there? is he rich as hell? wow...i dunno, I would feel guilty taking more than $2300 to build it...

July 30th, 2002

He knows the prices out there, he's kinda rich and rather shell out 3000 to a friend then some sales clerk, besides I offered to repair or replace all componets for him if something went harry for up to 6 years since I am a certified tech. Sorry I forgot to mention that.

July 28th, 2002	Top \| #1
Majestic_twelve Unregistered Posts: n/a	upgrade time again, too many choices, help. Well I am getting paid to do an upgrade job for one of my buddys, price isn't a problem but I can only choose from the list he provided. Can you help me choose I don't realy now what will work best with what, I don't use any of the models listed below. I also have a stupid question of my own don't laugh: Do I need to get a ddr board to take of advantage of a video card with ddr memory or will a board with sdram be alright. Sorry I never worked with ddr befor, I am old school. His interest are: playing games that take alot of resources, cd burning, and watching his computer movies on a big screen. He's choices are: video card Choices: ATI All-In-In Wonder Radeon 7500 RTL MSI G4 Ti4200-TD 128MB DDR TV/DV Out; RTL ATI Radeon 8500LE 128MB DDR Oem Gainward GeForce4 MX-420 64MB DDR CD Burner Choices: CDRW,PACIFIC DIG. 48X12X48X IDE INT RTL CD-RW 40X12X48X Lite-On RTL CD-RW 40X12X48X TEAC IDE 540E/Black, OEM CD-RW 40X12X48X TEAC RTL Motherboard choices: MSI 6390-L KM266 S-A DDR U133 ATX MSI 645 ULTRA SIS645 S478 DDR ATX MSI 6368LAN S370 VIAPLE133 5.1 MATX MSI 6378 KLE133 SOC-A LAN/V/A MATX DFI NB72-SC i845 S-478 SDRAM ATX cpu choices: Celeron 1ghz to 1.2 ghz Athlon 1ghz to 1.2 ghz intel p4 1ghz to 1.2 ghz Ram choicces: 256MB PC2700 DDR 333mhz 512MB PC2100 DDR 133/266mhz 512MB PC133 SDRAM Case choices: Chieftec dragon AX-01SLD server ATX Black directron SF-201T aluminum (www.directron.com) Lian-Li PC-52 aluminum His current rig: generic board super socket 7 500mhz cpu ram: 768mb sdram pc133 modules Sound blaster live platnium with live drive two 40gb maxtor hard drives 16x iomagic dvd Enermax PEG465P-VE 431W power supply usb addon card with 2 usb and 2 firewire ports. Intel Network Card 10/100

July 28th, 2002	Top \| #6
Majestic_twelve Unregistered Posts: n/a	Originally posted by Iceman Out of those choices above I would go with the following: MSI G4 Ti4200-TD 128MB DDR TV/DV Out; RTL CD-RW 40X12X48X Lite-On RTL MSI 6390-L KM266 S-A DDR U133 ATX Athlon 1ghz to 1.2 ghz 512MB PC2100 DDR 133/266mhz case is up to him, make him choose. But if price doesn't matter, I would get none of the above mentioned components. Thanks Iceman, any reason why you would go with the items above over the others listed? The reason I said price doesn't matter is I was already paid in adavance of $3000, so I don't think price would be a problem, But my buddy has certain fav's amd and msi components.

July 28th, 2002	Top \| #8
Majestic_twelve Unregistered Posts: n/a	Originally posted by Iceman If you got paid 3,000 bucks why are you buying outdated components for? everything mentioned above except the CDRW and the cases are outdated. 3,000 bucks would buy alot better machine then what you got listed. for example: MSI Geforce4 TI4600 128MB DDR 4x/2x, Mem Clock:660MHz, VIVO, DVI-Out - RETAIL $319 Retail AMD Athlon XP 2200+ - 266MHz $255 DDR 512MB 333MHz - PC2700 - CL2.5 $152 MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU - AMD, KT333, 4x, ATA133 Raid, USB 2.0, 5P, 3DDR, 6channel Sound $124 PLEXTOR PLEXWRITER 40x12x40 PX-W4012TA CDR-W EIDE -4MB - Retail $137 Total is 1,000 bucks there abouts. And that ain't even the top of the line. What are you making 2,000 bucks on the deal ? Don't sound like you would be my buddy for very long. I asked my buddy why he wanted out dated stuff too, but he's very picky. Who am I too argue, he said I get to keep what moneys left over!!!

July 28th, 2002	Top \| #9
Majestic_twelve Unregistered Posts: n/a	you are my pal Hey Iceman you are my buddy, hehe. It's funny too I can be anyone I want when Im online and you wont even know its me. I wanted to build my friend a top of line machine but he's some times a pain in the butt and wants certain things, even if thier outdated take for instance he bought me a old coca cola machine with the glass bottles for one of my birthdays, what hell Im not into antiques but he knows I like the color red so he bought it. He's sometimes a strange fellow, but he's like family.

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July 28th, 2002	Top \| #2
frmorrison Unregistered Posts: n/a	I would use the the best items you can buy. That would be GeForce 4 Cd-writer Lite-On The other components depend upon the motherboard you are using. However, I would just buy a new system, because his is outdated.

July 28th, 2002	Top \| #3
Iceman OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,695 Reputation: 30 Power: 148	Moved to Hardware: Iceman

July 28th, 2002	Top \| #4
Majestic_twelve Unregistered Posts: n/a	Realy frmorrison, what would you recommend for the board? Remember I can only choose from the list provided. I am looking for something fast but stable that works with the all the hardware. I am leaning toward a ddr memory based board.

July 28th, 2002	Top \| #5
Iceman OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,695 Reputation: 30 Power: 148	Out of those choices above I would go with the following: MSI G4 Ti4200-TD 128MB DDR TV/DV Out; RTL CD-RW 40X12X48X Lite-On RTL MSI 6390-L KM266 S-A DDR U133 ATX Athlon 1ghz to 1.2 ghz 512MB PC2100 DDR 133/266mhz case is up to him, make him choose. But if price doesn't matter, I would get none of the above mentioned components.

July 28th, 2002	Top \| #7
Iceman OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,695 Reputation: 30 Power: 148	If you got paid 3,000 bucks why are you buying outdated components for? everything mentioned above except the CDRW and the cases are outdated. 3,000 bucks would buy alot better machine then what you got listed. for example: MSI Geforce4 TI4600 128MB DDR 4x/2x, Mem Clock:660MHz, VIVO, DVI-Out - RETAIL $319 Retail AMD Athlon XP 2200+ - 266MHz $255 DDR 512MB 333MHz - PC2700 - CL2.5 $152 MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU - AMD, KT333, 4x, ATA133 Raid, USB 2.0, 5P, 3DDR, 6channel Sound $124 PLEXTOR PLEXWRITER 40x12x40 PX-W4012TA CDR-W EIDE -4MB - Retail $137 Total is 1,000 bucks there abouts. And that ain't even the top of the line. What are you making 2,000 bucks on the deal ? Don't sound like you would be my buddy for very long.

July 28th, 2002	Top \| #10
Bootsy Huh? Joined: February 2004 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 1,124 Reputation: 50 Power: 112	wow, perfsonally I couldn't take that much money for building a system..SPECIALLY if its for a friend. Does he know the prices out there? is he rich as hell? wow...i dunno, I would feel guilty taking more than $2300 to build it...

July 30th, 2002	Top \| #11
Majestic_twelve Unregistered Posts: n/a	He knows the prices out there, he's kinda rich and rather shell out 3000 to a friend then some sales clerk, besides I offered to repair or replace all componets for him if something went harry for up to 6 years since I am a certified tech. Sorry I forgot to mention that.