Vista WEI score - Page 6

**rushm001** · April 2nd, 2007

Originally Posted by LeeJend

DDR2 makes my head hurt...

It should be 333 and 667 clock speeds for DDR2 PC 5300. It looks like your system RAM may be 10% underclocked (or Sandra is wrong, try CPUz if it has a Vista friendly version yet).

I will try CPUz. Good post though.

Yes they do one for vista, see attached screenies.

**ElementalDragon** · April 8th, 2007

I might just have to buy an AMD X2 6000+ after the price cuts that are supposed to happen..... in a day..... and after i get my tax return.

**Sazar** · April 8th, 2007

Yay, Elemental is going to start Folding soon.

**LeeJend** · April 8th, 2007

Originally Posted by rushm001

I will try CPUz. Good post though.

Yes they do one for vista, see attached screenies.

rush

It looks like your RAM is underclocked. CPU screen 1 shows the actual at 200 but the supports up to 333 I'm assuming the CPU is set for 200 mhz clock (check the screen on cpuz). So it looks like the ram is set up to run synchronous with your processor which ends up really underclocking it.
This may be a limitation with the AMD CPU's on board memory controller.

Take a look in your Bios there may be a setting for making the cpu and ram non-synchronous. With a differnce of 200 vs 333 ram speed that's way more loss than running non-synchronous. Depending on the brand of MB there may be options to balance ram clock, multiplier and cpu clock.

Post the MB model and I'll look at the manual.

PS I have a vested interest. Fry's has a XP3800 AM2 dual core and MB for $89 this weekend and I can get 533 Ram for $129 but the 800 ram is $200. So I'm interested in how the two will play together. If the cpu supports higher ram speeds I can probably push the 65W cpu core well above a 200mhz clock and get a $350 system for $220 which is under my wallets threshold of pain.

**Vanquished** · April 8th, 2007

Originally Posted by ElementalDragon

I might just have to buy an AMD X2 6000+ after the price cuts that are supposed to happen..... in a day..... and after i get my tax return.

Choo kno it :P

**rushm001** · April 8th, 2007

Originally Posted by LeeJend

rush

It looks like your RAM is underclocked. CPU screen 1 shows the actual at 200 but the supports up to 333 I'm assuming the CPU is set for 200 mhz clock (check the screen on cpuz). So it looks like the ram is set up to run synchronous with your processor which ends up really underclocking it.
This may be a limitation with the AMD CPU's on board memory controller.

Take a look in your Bios there may be a setting for making the cpu and ram non-synchronous. With a differnce of 200 vs 333 ram speed that's way more loss than running non-synchronous. Depending on the brand of MB there may be options to balance ram clock, multiplier and cpu clock.

Post the MB model and I'll look at the manual.

Tis a shuttle SN27P2. Manual download http://ftp.shuttle.com/Manuals/en/sn27p2/ensn27.zip

Cheers for taking a look. I'm usually pretty good with pc's but bios settings usually fox me!

Edit: Just taken a look and I believe that the speed actually goes up along with the clocking of the CPU and it's powersave mode. When the cpu is under a big load the memory speed goes up to 315Mhz which is closer to what it should be.

**LeeJend** · April 8th, 2007

WOW, nice Bios! But I bet you hear that from all the guys...
Humor aside, I wish my bios was that friendly.

You can set clocks for RAM, CPU, CPU Multiplier, HT all independently. The CPU and RAM voltage is adjustable too. I had no idea Shuttle had gone so upscale. I need to start paying attention to them again.

You also have major options for setting noise levels and over temperature protection. I'd go for 45C on the fan speed when tweaking performance. Under PC Health on main menu

Main Menu Under Advanced
- HT Speed
-DRAM Configuration

"Options are in its sub-menu.
Press <Enter> to enter the sub-menu of detailed options."

The turkeys don't list the options in the manual but I expect they will be auto detect or a choice of several manual clock speeds. The DRAM timing wait states should also be available. Use the default 5-5-5-15-20 to start. Try changing the ram clock speed to 333.

They may allow you to adjust ram speed 1 or 5 mhz at a time. If they do you could probably boost overall system speed by about 10% with good stability if you are into overclocking.

"Frequency and voltage control" are another main menu item.

I could spend weeks tweaking that system for optimum speed and minimal noise.

I'm so jealous! The system can be configured for overclocker heaven or noiseless operation or anywhere in between.

**rushm001** · April 9th, 2007

Thanks mate, I will give it a try when I get a moment.

**ElementalDragon** · April 9th, 2007

WOW! freakin price cuts ROCK! on Newegg, the AMD X2 6000+ went from $319 over the weekend WAAAAAY down to $239!!!! SOOOOOOO probably pickin one of those up when i get my tax return. also helps that there's none in stock right now. lol. freakin mad rush on those things.

Kinda funny.... cause TigerDirect still shows the 6000+ as being $500.

trainmaster77 · April 15th, 2007

i just installed vista ultimate 32 on a media center rig with dual 8800's and 4 gigs of some value crap ram the customer had ... 5.1 score.

**Sazar** · April 15th, 2007

Originally Posted by ElementalDragon

WOW! freakin price cuts ROCK! on Newegg, the AMD X2 6000+ went from $319 over the weekend WAAAAAY down to $239!!!! SOOOOOOO probably pickin one of those up when i get my tax return. also helps that there's none in stock right now. lol. freakin mad rush on those things.

Kinda funny.... cause TigerDirect still shows the 6000+ as being $500.

I wish I got tax returns

**zeke_mo** · April 15th, 2007

Originally Posted by Sazar

I wish I got tax returns

better than owing

**Sazar** · April 15th, 2007

Originally Posted by zeke_mo

better than owing

Well if I don't get tax returns m8... I owe

**rushm001** · April 15th, 2007

Originally Posted by trainmaster77

i just installed vista ultimate 32 on a media center rig with dual 8800's and 4 gigs of some value crap ram the customer had ... 5.1 score.

Tis like having a turbo charged 4 litre engine in your car, but only being able to drive it at 30mph on the road, lol!

trainmaster77 · April 16th, 2007

Originally Posted by rushm001

Tis like having a turbo charged 4 litre engine in your car, but only being able to drive it at 30mph on the road, lol!

what does that mean? Is that some sort of insult? I don't find the humor in building exactly what a customer wants and getting what he paid for.

**rushm001** · April 16th, 2007

I meant it as in saying having a really fast pc slowed down by one variable, like having a fast car but not being able to drive it fast. Wasn't an insult.

**Sazar** · April 22nd, 2007

Ran mine a few mins ago after a complete re-install (still installing office as you can see).

Luna · April 22nd, 2007

5.0 because of the proc. I'm wondering if it's worth upgrading to Core 2 Duo / DDR2, or just getting a higher end AMD with more cache (socket 939). They are dirt cheap now.

**ray_gillespie** · April 22nd, 2007

WTF? Latest NVIDIA drivers have dropped my gaming graphics to 5.1! It was 5.4 before

**NetRyder** · April 23rd, 2007

Originally Posted by ray_gillespie

WTF? Latest NVIDIA drivers have dropped my gaming graphics to 5.1! It was 5.4 before

It's a trick to tempt you into buying a new 8800 to increase your score.

April 2nd, 2007	Last edited by rushm001; April 2nd, 2007 at 9:57am. \| Top \| #101
rushm001 In the beginning...... Joined: September 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,467 Reputation: 1370 Power: 139	Re: What are your Vista Performance scores? Originally Posted by LeeJend DDR2 makes my head hurt... It should be 333 and 667 clock speeds for DDR2 PC 5300. It looks like your system RAM may be 10% underclocked (or Sandra is wrong, try CPUz if it has a Vista friendly version yet). I will try CPUz. Good post though. Yes they do one for vista, see attached screenies. Attached Thumbnails

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ElementalDragon The One and Only Joined: August 2002 Location: Lehighton, PA Posts: 3,270 Blog Entries: 3 Reputation: 770 Power: 132	Re: What are your Vista Performance scores? I might just have to buy an AMD X2 6000+ after the price cuts that are supposed to happen..... in a day..... and after i get my tax return.
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LeeJend OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: January 2003 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 5,192 Reputation: 2950 Power: 168	Re: What are your Vista Performance scores? Originally Posted by rushm001 I will try CPUz. Good post though. Yes they do one for vista, see attached screenies. rush It looks like your RAM is underclocked. CPU screen 1 shows the actual at 200 but the supports up to 333 I'm assuming the CPU is set for 200 mhz clock (check the screen on cpuz). So it looks like the ram is set up to run synchronous with your processor which ends up really underclocking it. This may be a limitation with the AMD CPU's on board memory controller. Take a look in your Bios there may be a setting for making the cpu and ram non-synchronous. With a differnce of 200 vs 333 ram speed that's way more loss than running non-synchronous. Depending on the brand of MB there may be options to balance ram clock, multiplier and cpu clock. Post the MB model and I'll look at the manual. PS I have a vested interest. Fry's has a XP3800 AM2 dual core and MB for $89 this weekend and I can get 533 Ram for $129 but the 800 ram is $200. So I'm interested in how the two will play together. If the cpu supports higher ram speeds I can probably push the 65W cpu core well above a 200mhz clock and get a $350 system for $220 which is under my wallets threshold of pain.
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April 8th, 2007	Last edited by rushm001; April 8th, 2007 at 3:28pm. \| Top \| #106
rushm001 In the beginning...... Joined: September 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,467 Reputation: 1370 Power: 139	Re: What are your Vista Performance scores? Originally Posted by LeeJend rush It looks like your RAM is underclocked. CPU screen 1 shows the actual at 200 but the supports up to 333 I'm assuming the CPU is set for 200 mhz clock (check the screen on cpuz). So it looks like the ram is set up to run synchronous with your processor which ends up really underclocking it. This may be a limitation with the AMD CPU's on board memory controller. Take a look in your Bios there may be a setting for making the cpu and ram non-synchronous. With a differnce of 200 vs 333 ram speed that's way more loss than running non-synchronous. Depending on the brand of MB there may be options to balance ram clock, multiplier and cpu clock. Post the MB model and I'll look at the manual. Tis a shuttle SN27P2. Manual download http://ftp.shuttle.com/Manuals/en/sn27p2/ensn27.zip Cheers for taking a look. I'm usually pretty good with pc's but bios settings usually fox me! Edit: Just taken a look and I believe that the speed actually goes up along with the clocking of the CPU and it's powersave mode. When the cpu is under a big load the memory speed goes up to 315Mhz which is closer to what it should be.

April 8th, 2007	Top \| #107
LeeJend OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: January 2003 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 5,192 Reputation: 2950 Power: 168	Re: What are your Vista Performance scores? WOW, nice Bios! But I bet you hear that from all the guys... Humor aside, I wish my bios was that friendly. You can set clocks for RAM, CPU, CPU Multiplier, HT all independently. The CPU and RAM voltage is adjustable too. I had no idea Shuttle had gone so upscale. I need to start paying attention to them again. You also have major options for setting noise levels and over temperature protection. I'd go for 45C on the fan speed when tweaking performance. Under PC Health on main menu Main Menu Under Advanced - HT Speed -DRAM Configuration "Options are in its sub-menu. Press <Enter> to enter the sub-menu of detailed options." The turkeys don't list the options in the manual but I expect they will be auto detect or a choice of several manual clock speeds. The DRAM timing wait states should also be available. Use the default 5-5-5-15-20 to start. Try changing the ram clock speed to 333. They may allow you to adjust ram speed 1 or 5 mhz at a time. If they do you could probably boost overall system speed by about 10% with good stability if you are into overclocking. "Frequency and voltage control" are another main menu item. I could spend weeks tweaking that system for optimum speed and minimal noise. I'm so jealous! The system can be configured for overclocker heaven or noiseless operation or anywhere in between.
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rushm001 In the beginning...... Joined: September 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,467 Reputation: 1370 Power: 139	Re: What are your Vista Performance scores? Thanks mate, I will give it a try when I get a moment.

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ElementalDragon The One and Only Joined: August 2002 Location: Lehighton, PA Posts: 3,270 Blog Entries: 3 Reputation: 770 Power: 132	Re: What are your Vista Performance scores? WOW! freakin price cuts ROCK! on Newegg, the AMD X2 6000+ went from $319 over the weekend WAAAAAY down to $239!!!! SOOOOOOO probably pickin one of those up when i get my tax return. also helps that there's none in stock right now. lol. freakin mad rush on those things. Kinda funny.... cause TigerDirect still shows the 6000+ as being $500.
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Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,941 Reputation: 4110 Power: 287	Re: What are your Vista Performance scores? Originally Posted by ElementalDragon WOW! freakin price cuts ROCK! on Newegg, the AMD X2 6000+ went from $319 over the weekend WAAAAAY down to $239!!!! SOOOOOOO probably pickin one of those up when i get my tax return. also helps that there's none in stock right now. lol. freakin mad rush on those things. Kinda funny.... cause TigerDirect still shows the 6000+ as being $500. I wish I got tax returns
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rushm001 In the beginning...... Joined: September 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,467 Reputation: 1370 Power: 139	Re: What are your Vista Performance scores? Originally Posted by trainmaster77 i just installed vista ultimate 32 on a media center rig with dual 8800's and 4 gigs of some value crap ram the customer had ... 5.1 score. Tis like having a turbo charged 4 litre engine in your car, but only being able to drive it at 30mph on the road, lol!

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